Plane and Pilot article on airline jobs

SteveC

"Laconic"
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May issue of Plane and Pilot has an article titled "Is Now The Time To Prepare For An Airline Job?"

As usual it was pretty much a "glass half full" scenario presented by the usual participants: Air, Inc., Mesa Airlines Pilot Development, Pan Am International Flight Academy. Much of the article was about the current increase in hiring, at least at the regional level, and spelled a bright future for that to continue.

There were a couple of quotes that caught my eye and I thought I'd pass them along here for amusement and/or comments.

The first "hot quote" was in a paragraph talking about the majors, saying that America West and Southwest are the only majors currently hiring (Alaska accepting resumes) and that Delta, American, Continental, Northwest and United still have thousands on furlough. Here's the best part and I'll quote:
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A number of companies have been forced to cut pilot pay, some by as many (sic) as 30%. But it isn't as bad as it sounds.
"Existing airline pilots are crying poor, but it's only because they went from making $200,000 a year to $150,000 a year, and there are so many other benefits to the job. There's no other place that offers such benefits as plenty of time off, flexibility, income and retirement," explains Darby.

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Consider the source, I guess.

And here's the other one that caught my eye. I know there's a lot of pro and con Riddle opinions around, so I thought this interesting:
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"Recruiting is up a bit. I think we've bottomed out as far as that goes, but retention is another issue," says Ted Beneight, professor of aero-nautical science at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. "One of our biggest concerns is students who move to non-aeronautical science majors to gain the option of doing their flight training off campus. The students will still be able to show an Embry-Riddle degree to future bosses, even though their flight training would not have been as rigorous as ours. The university, the students and their parents know that the quality of outside training isn't as good, but with the negative press, the students and their parents simply aren't willing to spend the extra dollars for the flight training at Embry-Riddle."

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Kit Darby, ahhh!

EIGHT BILLION OF NEW PILOTS WILL BE HIRED NEXT WEEK, buy my book for details.
 
Yeah I read that article and thought "maybe it's about time to cancel my subscription to plane and pilot." Not that I really wanted it much in the first place.

The funny thing is that literally on the same pages were adds for various flight schools, one of them being Mesa Pilot Development.
 
Maybe they would retain more students at ERAU if they charged less for the training. NO training is worth $120 in a 172, even if Chuck Yeager is the CFI. Well, MAYBE if it was Yeager.
 
Gah! Not even Yeager!

Unless, of course you were learning to fly an X-plane.
 
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Maybe they would retain more students at ERAU if they charged less for the training. NO training is worth $120 in a 172, even if Chuck Yeager is the CFI. Well, MAYBE if it was Yeager.

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eeeeeeekk! I was paying $128/hr for instructor and C172. I see ATP in my future.
 
actually the 172 is $106 plus $45 for an instructor so that $151 total. ERAU is actually in the process of converting to a part 142 school where about 60% of training is done in a simulator. Everyone always complains about the price of flying at ERAU, i think it is about average for the type of airplane we get. Most FBO's in DAB are about $100-110 for a 172. Plus i am from NY and the cost of flying up there is pretty expensive too.
 
Brand new 172SPs with KLN-94 GPS (some with MFDs) at my flight school are $106/hr plus $36 for the instructor. Add the cost of driving to DAB from ORL, and ERAU is a LOT more expensive.
 
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Brand new 172SPs with KLN-94 GPS (some with MFDs) at my flight school are $106/hr plus $36 for the instructor. Add the cost of driving to DAB from ORL, and ERAU is a LOT more expensive.

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Geez..... 172SP here is $85/hr, with $25-$30 for the instructor.
 
Dang, I need to move to Tulsa.
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Looked at Douglas Aviation (ducks before Lloyd throws something at me), and they want $130 for a 172SP!!!! Their ARROWS are cheaper than that. BTW, that's solo, not dual. That's another $25.
 
I remember when I first started training in a Cessna 152 a few years back and it was $47/hour. Now that 152 is $62/hour. I'm sure theres someone on this board that will tell me about when they first started it was -$15/hour. They used to pay the student to fly right?
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I'm sure theres someone on this board that will tell me about when they first started it was -$15/hour

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my dad when he had his 152 back in the early 80's used to charge $30 an hour for it. Plane and Instructor.
 
My dad used charge something like $7/hr wet for his Champ back in the late '50s.

I rented a Champ for my tailwheel endorsement and paid $48/hr.

Can we say inflation!?
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Somebody is paying WAAAY TOO much for flight training. I guarantee you at Riddle you pay for the name, nobody's training is worth that much.

I went to CNCC (Colorado Northwestern Community College). I got all of my ratings through MEI in 5 semesters, a job as a flight instructor at the school when I graduated, and I only paid.....

Gasp!
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$75 an hour for a 172 (25 or 30 for the instructor), and $150 an hour for a Turbocharged 310 (instructor included).

The 310 has gone up a bit since then because it wasn't profitable, its something like $210 or $250 an hour now with the instructor - which is a little pricy compared to other light twins, but the 310 is a high workload environment, an awesome plane, and I guarantee you won't find a better multi-engine experience that will make anywhere near as good of a multi pilot.
 
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Dang, I need to move to Tulsa.
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Looked at Douglas Aviation (ducks before Lloyd throws something at me), and they want $130 for a 172SP!!!! Their ARROWS are cheaper than that. BTW, that's solo, not dual. That's another $25.

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Uhhhhhhh! I just got my private at Douglas and its not $25 for an instructor its freakin $30 extra.

BTW I did my training in a 1981 C152 which cost $112/hr dual. That is ridiculous.
I need some help on getting my other ratings cheaper. Right now Im looking at some academies but I dont really know what to do.
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