Pinnacle calls off talks with pilots

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Liz Fedor, Star Tribune
August 21, 2004 PINN0821
Management at Pinnacle Airlines has halted contract talks with the pilots union only a few weeks after negotiations began.

Memphis-based Pinnacle flies regional routes for Northwest Airlines, and it has surpassed Eagan-based Mesaba Airlines in the number of flights flown out of Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.

"We were informed at the table that the process was going slower than they anticipated," Wakefield Gordon, chairman of the Pinnacle pilots union, said Friday. "They thought it was wise to simply break the negotiations off at this time."

The contract for about 930 Pinnacle pilots is amendable April 30, 2005, and about one-third of those pilots fly out of the Twin Cities. The rapidly growing Pinnacle is flying 44- and 50-seat Canadair Regional Jets for Northwest. Pinnacle operates a fleet of 103 CRJs and will have 129 planes by next year. Northwest holds options to acquire 175 more CRJs and Pinnacle wants to fly additional jets if the big carrier makes a CRJ purchase.

"We are one of the most, if not the most, productive pilot groups in the country," said Gordon, who leads the Pinnacle unit of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA). He said that it is "almost un-American" that Pinnacle pilots are paid at rates below their industry peers. A second-year co-pilot at Pinnacle would need a 50 percent raise to be on par with a co-pilot at Comair, which flies regional routes for Delta Air Lines and is at the top of the regional industry pay scales, he said.

On July 29, Pinnacle CEO Phil Trenary told Wall Street analysts that management and the pilots union had agreed to open negotiations early.

Eight to 10 bargaining sessions were held in July and August before management chose to abandon the talks this week, Gordon said. "They decided it was in their best interest to step back and go about it a different way," he said.

Only one contract topic had been discussed: training.

"While these early talks have stopped, their tone was professional," Phil Reed, Pinnacle vice president of marketing, said Friday.

He declined to elaborate on why management halted the negotiations.

"We remain optimistic about successfully completing these negotiations and will return to mutually beneficial talks at any time," Reed said.

In a message to pilots, Gordon said he doesn't expect talks to resume until December. The union is willing to restart negotiations earlier.

"We are disappointed and undeterred," he said. Pinnacle pilots will seek higher pay, better scheduling rules and a solid retirement plan.

"Pinnacle pilots are unwilling to forgo necessary contractual improvements for the promise of future growth," Gordon said in his memo to pilots.

Pinnacle's operating revenue reached $152 million in the second quarter, an increase of 39 percent.

Eagan-based Northwest is in contract talks with its pilots, and CEO Richard Anderson said Wednesday that the two sides hope to reach a deal by this fall. Northwest wants to cut pilot labor costs by $300 million a year, while the union has offered $200 million in cutbacks.

Liz Fedor is at
lfedor@startribune.com.


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Now I don't know alot about pilot salaries at regionals, but that seems like a big spread; 50% less than those at Comair (on avg.) My question is Pinnacles wages that LOW or is Comair's wages that HIGH?
 
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Now I don't know alot about pilot salaries at regionals, but that seems like a big spread; 50% less than those at Comair (on avg.) My question is Pinnacles wages that LOW or is Comair's wages that HIGH?

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Pinnacle 2nd year CRJ FO pay - $24 an hour
Comair 2nd year CRJ FO pay - $37 an hour

both have a 75 hour/month guarantee.

but I hear upgrades are a lot quicker at Pinnacle than Comair...so that may help even things out after a couple years.
 
I think it's probably a mixture of both - Pinnacle's FO scale is little low for a CRJ and Comair's CRJ scale is a little high. I made $24 an hour(or right around there anyway) in 1999 as a first year FO on the 37 seat Dash 8 at Allegheny. But remember both Allegheny and Comair have been around for a number of years - mid 70's I believe at Comair and even earlier than that at Allegheny(which resulted from several mergers between small commuters waaaaaaaay back in the day) - point is they've been thru a number of contracts that have slowly worked their FO pay up. Pinnacle - being a relativley young(er) airline being founded in 1985 - will eventually get there in a few contracts from now.

Assuming airlinepilotpay.com is accurate 5th year captain at Pinnacle is only $6/hr less than Comair so their Capt scale isn't that bad. Of course, as was mentioned before, you'll likely be on the Capt scale a heck of a lot quicker at Pinnacle than Comair.


Jason
 
What happens when the upgrades stop though? They've got to think further down the line than just the next two years in my opinion. They've got to make it better for the guys who end up being in the right seat for a while.
 
Thats the point exactly VIsceral....right now upgrade is very fast...but once the jets stop coming... well, you know.
 
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