Pinnacle CAE Bridge ??

Oh I think I have been on here long enough to get it hold on..........does it have to do with PF ahhh I forgot the last letter........:sarcasm:
 
NOT PFJ AGAIN ????? Pay for training the way I see it. They advertise the interview takes place before the training. I only have 500TT so it looks like a bridge is the quickest way for me ??? I'd like to hear from someone that has been thru the program.
 
Tuckster said:
Anyone have any experiences ???? I saw it on Pinnacle's website.
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I will help you out Tuckster. I haven't had any personal experience with the "bridge program", but I can tell you from reading on this forum, this is not a good idea. This is what you would call a PFJ, or "pay for job". Traditionally one who is in training to become an airline pilot would train in this order: PPL, Instrument, Commercial, Multi, CFI, CFII, MEI. Normally a pilot that has a Commercial would then begin flight instructing to build time and experience before moving on to a regional airline. With this bridge it would seem that Pinnacle will hire you with a Commercial/Multi engine rating. Under part 61 rules this comes out to 250TT/roughly 10 multi hours. This is not much time at all.

The question is why are bridge programs willing to hire pilots with only a Com/multi rating? The reason is you give them upwards to $20-30,000 grand for YOUR job. You are essentially "paying for your job". This is why folks on JC refer to programs such as this one as a "PFJ", or Pay for job. Does this all make since? You may have already known this, but I figured I would try to make a quick summary.
 
Tuckster said:
NOT PFJ AGAIN ????? Pay for training the way I see it. They advertise the interview takes place before the training. I only have 500TT so it looks like a bridge is the quickest way for me ??? I'd like to hear from someone that has been thru the program.
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You beat me to it. Looks like you already understand the concept.
 
Tuckster said:
NOT PFJ AGAIN ????? Pay for training the way I see it. They advertise the interview takes place before the training. I only have 500TT so it looks like a bridge is the quickest way for me ??? I'd like to hear from someone that has been thru the program.
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Ignorant, you are. Too many kids on this forum through the "PFJ" slang when they really mean PFT. There IS a difference. The true PFJ is Gulfstream Academy. CAE's Pinnacle CRJ program is NOT PFJ.

Read again:

"After successful completion of the Jump Start course at CAE, you will be guaranteed an interview with Pinnacle Airlines."


You are not buying a job (right seat). Gulfstream Academy does that kind of thing. NOT CAE, and not Jet U. CAE, Jet U, ATPs... all guarantee only an interview. There is no "pay for job" involved here.
 
mattp1803 said:
I will help you out Tuckster. I haven't had any personal experience with the "bridge program", but I can tell you from reading on this forum, this is not a good idea. This is what you would call a PFJ, or "pay for job". Traditionally one who is in training to become an airline pilot would train in this order: PPL, Instrument, Commercial, Multi, CFI, CFII, MEI. Normally a pilot that has a Commercial would then begin flight instructing to build time and experience before moving on to a regional airline. With this bridge it would seem that Pinnacle will hire you with a Commercial/Multi engine rating. Under part 61 rules this comes out to 250TT/roughly 10 multi hours. This is not much time at all.

The question is why are bridge programs willing to hire pilots with only a Com/multi rating? The reason is you give them upwards to $20-30,000 grand for YOUR job. You are essentially "paying for your job". This is why folks on JC refer to programs such as this one as a "PFJ", or Pay for job. Does this all make since? You may have already known this, but I figured I would try to make a quick summary.
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Incorrect with your definition of PFJ.

Read my post above.



People, times have changed. You do not have to go the CFI route if you don't want to.

HECK, the following airlines are down to JUST a Commercial, Instrument, Multi engine rating:

PSA Airlines

Piedmont Airlines

TSA (250TT and 25ME).

But yes, PSA and Piedmont are both wet Comm/Inst/ME minimums.


You don't have to CFI if you don't want to. And with those airlines above, you don't even need to take a CRJ transition course.

It's straight from the light twin to the CRJ, ERJ or Dash 8.


That's todays reality.
 
Ok... you go thru an interview before you pay the money. Then you pay $10k for 16 days of training. I don't see any difference between this, and talking with the owner of a flight school and having them agree to hire you after you pay for and take the CFI training course (probably less money but more time involved) at their given school. Someone clarify?
 
av8sean said:
Ok... you go thru an interview before you pay the money. Then you pay $10k for 16 days of training. I don't see any difference between this, and talking with the owner of a flight school and having them agree to hire you after you pay for and take the CFI training course (probably less money but more time involved) at their given school. Someone clarify?
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The "interview" you go through before you pay the money is ONLY to see if you are up to CAE's standards, and for acceptance into the program.

If you pass your "interview" , you're admitted to that CRJ course and pay $10k.

Once done with the training, you interview with Pinnacle Airlines.


Not PFJ.
 
I guess I always understood that airlines were supposed to pay for your training, not the other way around... I guess I'm still confused on how this isn't paying for your job.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
The "interview" you go through before you pay the money is ONLY to see if you are up to CAE's standards, and for acceptance into the program.

If you pass your "interview" , you're admitted to that CRJ course and pay $10k.

Once done with the training, you interview with Pinnacle Airlines.


Not PFJ.
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Getting interviews is easy. Getting the mins is even easier especially where they're at.

There is no need for these BS programs.
 
Correct, PFT. If you have your CFIs and have build up 1000 hours, you can go directly to the regionals. If you don't, and you're a low time pilot, one of the options you have is a bridge program. Pinnacle lists several approved bridge programs on their own pilot applicant website.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
The "interview" you go through before you pay the money is ONLY to see if you are up to CAE's standards, and for acceptance into the program.

If you pass your "interview" , you're admitted to that CRJ course and pay $10k.

Once done with the training, you interview with Pinnacle Airlines.


Not PFJ.
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Mmm... Did you read the website? Unless they're blatantly lying, it sounds like Pinnacle staff does the interview BEFORE you pay the 10k... they are probably doing the "let's make sure this guess isn't a douchbag" questions as well as oral knowledge... They don't really care about your flying skills because you'll pick them up at CAE (hypothetically).

From their website:

The selection procedure will consist of two days at CAE's Denver training facility. The above tests will be conducted on the first day. Pinnacle Airlines will conduct a human resources interview on the second day for those candidates who successfully pass the selection process.

The cost of the selection process is $200 (excluding taxes). This fee is non-refundable.

Successful candidates of the selection process and the HR interview will be invited to participate in the Jump Start course and have the amount of the selection process applied toward the cost of the course.


The Course
After a successful selection process, you will be invited for a Jump Start course at the CAE Training Center Denver.

After the Jump Start Course

Upon successful completion of the Jump Start course, candidates will be scheduled by Pinnacle Airlines for their first officer candidate class.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Incorrect with your definition of PFJ.

Read my post above.



People, times have changed. You do not have to go the CFI route if you don't want to.

HECK, the following airlines are down to JUST a Commercial, Instrument, Multi engine rating:

PSA Airlines

Piedmont Airlines

TSA (250TT and 25ME).

But yes, PSA and Piedmont are both wet Comm/Inst/ME minimums.


You don't have to CFI if you don't want to. And with those airlines above, you don't even need to take a CRJ transition course.

It's straight from the light twin to the CRJ, ERJ or Dash 8.


That's todays reality.
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This is true, and in my statement I said "traditionally". Any more you don't really have to instruct. So that is why doing a "bridge program" is not the best idea...
 
"Oh, Doug's just jealous, WTH does he know?"

Yer just jealous cause these programs didn't exist when you came up 20 year ago....

It's the new world order. Get used to it. Adopt it. Be one with it.
 
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