Pilot Deviations

[PA44totracon]

Just curious. When you get the whole "I have a phone number for you to copy" call, what happends to a 121 pilot. Do you guys land and let your union handle it or do you handle it yourself? What are the usual consequences of a deviation that leads to a loss of seperation with another aircraft? How long does that stay on your record and does your company take any action against you? Just trying to get some insight.

 

[Polar742]

Depends on some stuff.

Could be as simple as a phone call.

There is a deal put out by the FAA called the "DAB" or "Daily Activity Bulletin" that catalogs all of the violations from the previous day.

If the company has an ASAP program it can be handled through that.

It could be handled by "Self-Disclosure", where maybe the company finds they didn't inspect some airplanes, does a fix, then tells the Feds what they did, and why they won't do it again.

Or the company could take action. From an actual incident. There was a runway incursion, the company suspended the pilots without pay, and the FAA asked what the company knew. The company showed the pilot's report on it, and said they were suspended without pay. The feds were satisfied with that, and left it.

Or you can go through the whole LOI process.....

 

[surreal1221]

One occurrence.

Called up the ARTCC, they told us there was a lost of separation between us and a Malibu that failed to stop it's climb.

We were not at fault, but they wanted to let us know that we were on the recording.

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

What are the usual consequences of a deviation that leads to a loss of seperation with another aircraft?

Certificate action seeking and usually resulting in suspension of the pilot certificate.

How long does that stay on your record

In general, enforcement actions resulting in suspension stays on your record for 5 years. If it results in revocation, it stays on your record forever.

Talk to a lawyer. Don't do it yourself.

 

[BobDDuck]

I've had to call a number three times since I got to the 121 world. Once was something we apparently did wrong and the other two were to advice us that somebody else did something wrong but we were effected (affected?). An ASAP covered the one time we screwed up and no action was taken.

I spoke with our ASAP coordinator last week and he said there were 9 LOIs issued to our pilots last month (500 member pilot group) and all 9 of them were for the same thing. Doh!

 

[EDUC8-or]

Regardless if you're flying 91, 121, 135, or 69 and you get the dreaded "We have a number for you to copy" you should NEVER say anything outside of factual information such as: Your name, flight number, certificate number, etc... DO NOT discuss anything outside of those items as it can and will be used to incriminate you. You can make the initial call when you get on the ground, give the factual information, and then call a lawyer or file an ASAP if need be.