Part 61 vs 141 Instrument Flying

[Shiftace]

Greetings to fellow JC'ers! Have a few questions!!

I was wondering what the differences between Instrument training under Part 61 and 141 were? I heard that there is no 50 hour cross country requirements for the 141 instrument. Also, is it possible to do the private pilot under part 61 and do the instrument under 141??

Furthermore, can one do the ground school in part 141 and do the flying under part 61?

Does one work out to be better or cheaper than the other??

Cheers

Sunny

 

[esa17]

Under 141 the training is supposed to be more structured. Often times it focuses on a lot more trivia because of the required ground training component. Because of the structure there is no 50 hr xc requirement. It can be cheaper and faster if you study enough but 141 will not make you a better pilot. And finally, yes you can get your ppl 61 and your ifr 141. Be careful though, some schools require you to do some post private training to "evaluate and indoctrinate". What they are really doing is stealing your money.

 

[Shiftace]

Thanks for the reply!! I was hoping to finish my PPL in the next month and then move on to my instrument. I think the 141 would work better for me! However am not sure if the guy I am training with is eligible to do 141 instrument training.

One more question - would the FAA require any extra training to be imparted to candidates switching over to a 141 instrument from a 61 private?

Thanks again and cheers!

Sunny

 

[Callador]

Yes you can do the PPL 61 and Instrument 141 if you wanted. I worked for a 141 school, so lets see if I can pull some of the requirements out of my head.

PPL 61: 40hrs, 10hrs solo, 5hrs solo XC among all the other requirements which are the same for 141.

PPL 141: 35hrs, 5hrs solo, 1 solo XC (one flight). That ends up being handy if you get weathered out often where you are training.

So if you can do the PPL 141 it would be a little faster.

INST 61: 40 hours Instrument (can do 20 FTD), 50 hrs PIC XC, and again all the other requirements that are the same for both.

INST 141: 35 hours Instrument (can do 50% FTD), no PIC XC requirement (so big savings there).

For Instrument I would definately go 141. I did all my stuff 61, but I can see the benefits of 141. Just remember, when you do your Commerical you need to have the 50 hours PIC XC for both 61/141, so you will eventually have to do it.

If you do the PPL or Instrument 61, then I wouldn't do the Commerical 141, since you need 200hrs in a 141 program. It could technically be longer than 250 part 61 (and you can do 50 hours FTD).

In the end it depends on your goals. If you want to get the commercial, then do it all 141 or 61. If you are looking to get a fast private/instrument for personal use, then do it 141 for sure.

** I saw your other question, yes you can do the PPL 61 and Instrument 141 with no problems. You can even start a PPL part 61 and finish it 141 (although only a certain amount of hours transfer). If you are far along in the PPL part 61, then I would finish it like that.

 

[Shiftace]

wow!

Thanks for the great reply! I was wondering if a school has to have any special certifications to conduct 141 training or can any 61 school also do the 141 training ? Also is there a list of 141 schools?

Thanks a ton!

 

[AviatorGator]

wow!

Thanks for the great reply! I was wondering if a school has to have any special certifications to conduct 141 training or can any 61 school also do the 141 training ? Also is there a list of 141 schools?

Thanks a ton!

Haha...yes, there is a "special" certification process to be a 141 school. Not every 61 school can teach 141. Just ask around to see who is able to teach 141 if that's the route you really want to go.

 

[Douglas]

Furthermore, can one do the ground school in part 141 and do the flying under part 61? You can sit in and take the 141 ground school, but it is not going to mean anything really in the end. It won't be documented anywhere. But that really doesn't matter, what matters is that you get the knowledge. What I mean is that if you go to your checkride via 61, there won't be any 141 graduation certificates to be presented to the examiner.

Does one work out to be better or cheaper than the other?? Does one work out better, as in which has the better final product? Neither. 61 or 141, Quality of product really depends on your instructor. Our shop does both 141 and 61 and we can do 141 cheaper.

Cheers

Sunny

 

[motormadness24]

You'll end up most likely doing 50 hours of XC's anyway if you do Commercial Part 141 anyway, so either way. However, most of the time with that said, you can do it cheaper in the end if you find the right school.

 

[Callador]

wow!

Thanks for the great reply! I was wondering if a school has to have any special certifications to conduct 141 training or can any 61 school also do the 141 training ? Also is there a list of 141 schools?

Thanks a ton!

Yeah, lots of schools are both 61 and 141, but you have to check since there is a special certification process. On this forum Acessible Aviation is 141, I am not sure about some of the others. I don't know where you live, but places like FL probably have lots of 141 schools. Where I lived in WI, there were no 141 schools around the immediate area. Good luck!

 

[poser765]

One small point. The minimum flight hours contained in part 141 are not the minimum flight time to complete the course, but the mins that the course must include. The minimum flight time for a course is going to be set by the training course outline, which will be at least or exceed those in 141.

Now granted most private 141 schools are going to try to get you done in the minimum time alloted by the regs you may find someplace who does require 40 hours for a private min, or even more. Where I teach (public university) i am pretty sure our private pilot course is something like 38 hours.