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Re: IM going to aviator

Florida_Flyer said:
But then, she did pretend to be a student offering impartial information, when in reality the school was paying her to post on JC.
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As far as I know this issue has been settled, and publically at that. You made an accusation, it was proven right, and she is now being openly identified as a spokesperson for the company. As long as she is acknowledging in her signature line her position with the Aviator I don't think that you have any reason to call her on it. I think that it is good that the school cares enough to have a presence here to present their side on topics, and as long as they are upfront about where they are coming from I am all for it. My suggestion to you is that if you want to avoid looking like a whiner you should just drop it. You were proven right, now quit being petty. It is your choice of course, but just to let you know I will keep calling you on it.

In the interest of honesty I would like to say that I am not a paid employee of this website and the above opinion is purely my own. :p
 
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The credit for "outing" Catherine goes to Gonzo, not me I'm afraid. To be honest though, the fact that her signature now shows that she is an employee changes nothing. The bottom line is that Catherine, knowingly misrepresented herself as a student offering impartial advice, whilst accepting payment from the school. By pretending to be just a student her biased advice was given a credibilty that it lacked, coming from an employee; and she knew it.

Adding the signature after she was caught out, indicating that she is an employeed does not change the fact that she was lying. Catherine has shown that she has zero integrity and is now offering supra advice that he is going to find out is not true. That doesn't make me feel good.
 
Re: IM going to aviator

I stand corrected on the gonzo-re-FF clarification.

We'll just have to see how the rest of it plays out then, won't we?
 
Re: IM going to aviator

Florida_Flyer said:
The credit for "outing" Catherine goes to Gonzo, not me I'm afraid. To be honest though, the fact that her signature now shows that she is an employee changes nothing. The bottom line is that Catherine, knowingly misrepresented herself as a student offering impartial advice, whilst accepting payment from the school. By pretending to be just a student her biased advice was given a credibilty that it lacked, coming from an employee; and she knew it.

Adding the signature after she was caught out, indicating that she is an employeed does not change the fact that she was lying. Catherine has shown that she has zero integrity and is now offering supra advice that he is going to find out is not true. That doesn't make me feel good.
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Before someone belabor this "credibility" issue, perhaps more level and unbiased heads can prevail. Is it someone's contention that Catherine's posts, from August 5th 2005 to present were done while she was employed with Air Ben Aviator, Inc. or specifically, during her tenure as a student, she transitioned into the status of an employee?

The above post by Florida is somewhat misleading and I would appreciate either here on PM'd please some clarification.

Now, my opinion. . .Catherine and Maverick posts have been quite incisive and enlightening offering an individual viewpoint into Ari Ben. Beechlovers provide a picture for me as well. Now, along the way, if they transition from student to employee, that poses no problem out of me. Kinda like, Ford owners simply owning but later working as an employee for Ford. The transition says nothing about how they feel about the product.

Now, someone is you're saying Catherine has mislead from the beginning, say that rather than murk up the waters with something as trivial as not changing a signature (which I can't find nor care to locate anyway) after she's completed the course and changed her "official status" at the school.

Back to the original thread. Are photos of the new housing posted on the website? If not, is their plans to update the website to show the new facility?
 
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"Catherine has shown that she has zero integrity"

Look dude, I've been watching this forum for a while. Her intergrity is just fine. Her posts aren't disrespectful while yours most certainly are. If I was a netural party looking at your posts vs her's, I'd see you as a disgruntled ex-student with a chip on your shoulder (which I think is the case). That would call into question the accuracy of your opinion here, and that does you no good other than to vent.

Florida Flyer, you can stop bashing her now. Otherwise, your gonna start getting moderated. Got it?
 
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There seems to be a lot of confusion exactly what happened so allow me to explain in more detail. When I first arrived at the aviator (in April) I noticed some of the things Catherine posted were not exactly truthful (some might even call it lying). I immediately started to investigate why. Everyone I asked I got the same answer: Catherine's paid to post. Over the next several months I amassed evidence to the exact terms (financial and nonfinancial) of Catherine's agreement with the school. Keep in mind this is not something I was doing secretly. Most of the school knew about it in fact I would go as far as saying most of the instructors and students encouraged it. Fast-forward to early October one of Catherine's best friends approached me requesting I confront Catherine in private and not in the open form. I have great respect for this person so at his request I confront Catherine in private and asked her to stop posting about things she knew were not true. She told me in short to take a hike. So I was forced to out her in public. What people miss and what Florida flyer and I are trying to say is adding a sentence in your signature doesn't suddenly make you honest. She didn't come out at the goodness of her heart and say she was an employee she was forced to by me.

If it seems like I am singling out Catherine you'd be correct. Catherine is the only employee out of three office workers, 15 past or present and instructors, and 10 students who are active on these boards that post untruthful information. Catherine is also the only employee that is paid to post on the boards.

A prime example is this threat somebody asked this question
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Hey well I am goin to be atententding there next week and wanted to ask any one goin there how is the new housing they got this week?
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Without going in to the details of what's going on at the school I will say this is a touchy subject. People who are familiar with this situation have one of three choices. The first choices to explain what's going on with the new housing (would put the school in a negative light and more than likely get the person kicked out of school). The second choice would be not to answer the question. (Probably the wisest choice and the choice most current employees took) Or the last option would be to tell a half-truth (or as some people call it a lie). Unlike most of the other employees of the school Catherine continues to take the third option.

People like Catherine is the reason why Doug started jet careers. I'm going to publicly say what I've been saying in private for the last month. Catherine should be banned
 
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Gonzo,

Thanks greatly for a more direct perspective from you. Not wishing to take away from this thread, I'll end my curiosity of your postings, for now, I have a better understanding of your point of view. . .not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing but understanding more of your insight.

As with any venture I enter into (especially if it involves large sums of money) I'll perform my due diligence before signing on the dotted line.

So, she's getting paid for posting huh? With her numerous posts (seems as if I've posted moreso than she has) there'll be no more sardine and ramen dinners for Catherine! With the extra money, she can now upgrade to Spam and macaroni/cheese . . . at least until she starts flying for an airline! She can then start purchasing the Hungry Man TV dinners. :sarcasm:

. . .and I do mean that too! Strictly :sarcasm:
 
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Gonzo, (and FF) I don't care if you guys have a problem with Catherine. As long as your posts are involved in debating the things that you disagree with her about, you won't hear a word from me. The minute that you start using personal attacks to make your point for you I will get involved.

Those are my personal guidelines for deciding if I need to moderate any discussion on this board, so don't feel special.

Are we on the same page now?
 
Thanks for backing me up Gonzo. You said it better than I could have done. It's hard not to make personal attacks when the poster is not telling the truth. Pointing out the track record of deception and dishonesty is a fair way of debating the issues at question. I never attacked Catherine for posting positive things about the school. I'd heard that she was being paid to post for a while but did not truly believe it, not until I heard it from her. But now, I agree with Gonzo. Catherine should be banned.

Over the next several months I amassed evidence to the exact terms (financial and nonfinancial) of Catherine's agreement with the school. Keep in mind this is not something I was doing secretly. Most of the school knew about it in fact I would go as far as saying most of the instructors and students encouraged it.
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Do you mean students and instructors encouraged you to find the evidence or that they encouraged Catherine, to post?
 
"Catherine should be banned"

Ain't gonna happen. Her posts are always respectful. There is no basis for banning. Get over it, already.

"I'd heard that she was being paid to post for a while but did not truly believe it"

I never saw this as of big as an issue as you make it out to be. Bash away at the Aviator but keep the personal attacks at a JC member to yourself.
 
Ban? No reason. End of discussion.

Besides, there's not a democratic process involved in determining who becomes banned on jetcareers.

Employees of flight schools, especially advertisers are more than welcome (an absolutely encouraged) to participate in the forum. As I've said before (and I thought was clear) that they need to identify themselves so people can judge for themselves information from marketing.

That's the rule that I made up. Unfortunately it's very hard to police but Catherine complied quickly and without question and had a professional attitude.

The forums are not intended to be a "b--ch fest". Like I've said multiple times in multiple forums, do the professional thing and address the issues directly to the flight school. If they're unresponsive, contact me because, as arrogant as it seems, I can get results.

Just as there is a fine line between informational perspective and marketing, there is also a fine line between seeking an agreeable resolution to a problem and standing outside of Wal Mart in a lobster suit with a sign that reads "Sam Walton Shoots Horses, Don't Shop Here".

I like to think we're about solutions. But the second people begin to make personal attacks on Jetcareers.com over business issues, the problem at hand becomes secondary and 'why does my user intend on making a personal attack against another rule-folowing member' becomes primary.

We're not that type of website.

Advice: If you've got a problem with a flight school, work it out in person with the people that have the authority. If they're unresponsive and especially if they're a past or present advertiser, talk to me and I'll contact them myself. But once it devolves to a situation like this, the chances of a reaching a reasonable solution go from slim to none.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Just as there is a fine line between informational perspective and marketing, there is also a fine line between seeking an agreeable resolution to a problem and standing outside of Wal Mart in a lobster suit with a sign that reads "Sam Walton Shoots Horses, Don't Shop Here".
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He does? :sarcasm:
 
kailuaboy said:
I am now dumber for reading this stupid thread. (not that it changed much) :(
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. . .and you've still NOT PM'd me to come and visit NASA. Hmmm, I need to check my badge to determine if I'm a paid employee for NASA. They may wish to edit my posts.

You can still come visit.
 
MFT1Air said:
. . .and you've still NOT PM'd me to come and visit NASA. Hmmm, I need to check my badge to determine if I'm a paid employee for NASA. They may wish to edit my posts.

You can still come visit.
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this was all you PMed me.

MFT1Air said:
I flew out of King/Ascent Aviation. . .formerly in Pearland now at Laporte.
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you never invited me.
I dont even know where NASA is in Houston (I think thats what your talking about) :)
 
Sorry. . .brain dead moment on my part. NASA is over by Ellington (EFD) southeast Houston, Clear Lake area. Kemah, Pasadena toward Galveston. I believe you're up at Intercontinental cross Beltway 8. Easy to find. Like Doug or anyone else, I can give the nickel tour if you're interested.
 
sounds cool, but unfortunately i dont live in Houston. Thanks for the offer though. I'll have to take you up on that offer later. :)
 
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