One crew member incapacitated...brace pax for landing?

AKcharger

AKcharger

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Captian or F.O. is incapacited (we'll say heart attack) and one crew member is going to land the aircraft. Wx is fine and remaining pilot is very experienced...do you have the FA brace the passangers for landing or just land the plane normally?
 
They can do whatever they want, I already stole the secret bomb codes and jewels and parachuted out the back ramp. No one can stop me now...
 
Why would you have them brace? With the exception of maybe the MD11, it only takes once pilot to land anyway. I'd rather have the cabin prepped for everybody to STAY in their seats after landing so we can get the door open and the paramedics on board.
 
OP: No, I won't be having them acting like we're about to crash the airplane...

Adler said:
I'd call up one of the 5 nonrevs who are qualified on the plane.
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Wait, wait, let me check the FOM...is there another of my carrier's qualified pilots on board? A pilot from another carrier (qualified in type or not)? A flight attendant with his/her private license?
 
AKcharger said:
Captian or F.O. is incapacited (we'll say heart attack) and one crew member is going to land the aircraft. Wx is fine and remaining pilot is very experienced...do you have the FA brace the passangers for landing or just land the plane normally?
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Land the plane normally and keep your trap shut on the PA.

(Really? :))

Keep operational 'chats' to a minimum over the PA.
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
What's special about it? Other than the tendency to kangaroo bounce...
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I've heard stories about it taking two pilots to push forward on the yoke to get the nose to come down after the mains touch down. No first hand knowledge though. The only time I was on that plane I was sitting in the back during landing.
 
Weird, weird question.

AKCharger, since you brought it up...why WOULD you have your pax brace? Is something crazy going to happen with the landing that is going to require that?

There's nothing particularly unusual about a single pilot landing a heavy or anything smaller these days. Two pilot crews are mostly about redundancy these days, rather than some need to have two people perform all of the functions required for safety of flight.

So, having one pilot unable to perform his crew duties is precisely why there are two people up there in that front office. For all intents from a safety standpoint, it's "ops normal".
 
Hacker15e said:
Weird, weird question.

AKCharger, since you brought it up...why WOULD you have your pax brace? Is something crazy going to happen with the landing that is going to require that?

There's nothing particularly unusual about a single pilot landing a heavy or anything smaller these days. Two pilot crews are mostly about redundancy these days, rather than some need to have two people perform all of the functions required for safety of flight.

So, having one pilot unable to perform his crew duties is precisely why there are two people up there in that front office. For all intents from a safety standpoint, it's "ops normal".
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Maybe this has something to do with it:
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:) 10:47pm (AZ Time) so if he's an east coaster...
 
I don't understand why you you would do anything other than a normal landing. I would divert and tell the passengers we were diverting but not the real reason why. I have JS on the MD-11 a few times and haven't seen more than one set of hands on the controls before. Interesting that there would be a problem getting the nose down since the tail on the MD-11 is so much smaller than the 10.
 
Hacker15e said:
Weird, weird question.

AKCharger, since you brought it up...why WOULD you have your pax brace? Is something crazy going to happen with the landing that is going to require that?...

So, having one pilot unable to perform his crew duties is precisely why there are two people up there in that front office. For all intents from a safety standpoint, it's "ops normal".
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It's a question about liability, company policy and just plain CYA. There's no doubt the plane could be landed safely...that's not the issue. The issue is this would (in every legal sense) constitute an emergency. So, do you treat it as an emergency landing and follow GOM and brace or just treat it like a normal landing?

Personally I'd brace 'em, cheap insurance. I'd much rather be chastened by the POI or Chief pilot for being to cautious than violated or fined for not taking precautions during an emergency...no matter how benign it may appear.

...But that's my 2 cents...that's why we have this discussion forum for right?
 
Brace? Nah. I'll tell ya, that 402 was harder to land than the 767. Like butta', and I even have the flaps and gear on my side! :)
 
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