Once again ALPA misrepresents its pilot group

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Mr_Creepy

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take a look at this: I posted this over at ****lounge

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ALPA Endorses John Kerry
I just received my issue of ALPA magazine. It is almost entirely an endorsement for John Kerry and a bash of GW.

I wonder if ALPA national even polled their members to determine who to endorse or are they once again just puppets for AFL-CIO?

So I did a straw poll of my ALPA friends here in Orlando. I spoke to 51 people who are ALPA members. Here are the results:

Are you Democrat, Republican, Other?

Dem: 12
Rep: 34
Other: 5

Are you voting for Bush, Kerry or Other?

Bush: 37
Kerry: 11
Other: 3

Do you feel ALPA is representing all of its members?

Yes: 11 (imagine that!)
No: 40

Were you given an opportunity by ALPA to express your choice of representation in the political endorsement?

Yes: 0
No: 51

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I know many of you are Bush haters, but doesn't it bother you that a so-called "representative" organization is only in line with 23% of its members?
 
John, I think you know the answer to your own question. They are a member of the AFL-CIO, of course they will endorse who their parent organiztion endorses. I don't feel mis-represented. You cannot go blaming ALPA national for everything. Not everyone can be happpy. If a contract passes by less than 100%, then atleast 1% of a pilot group would feel misrepresented. If you think every ALPA member should be pleased, your living in a dream world.
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I agree with you in principle. I know ALPA cannot represent all pilots, but I would like to see them represent the majority!

Have you read the articles in the Pilot mag? They are SO slanted left it's pitiful.
 
The way I think of it is that ALPA is representing its' own special interests, and feels that union-specific issues would be better served by Kerry as President. I personally take a larger view than that and feel the countrys' overall interests are better served by Bush. But I understand why ALPA takes the position they do, and I don't feel "misrepresented" by them. How's that?
 
Majority? Minority?

As a small business owner, I think one way.

As an airline pilot I think a different way.

As a constituionalist, I think another way entirely.

As a married man, I think something else.

As a member of a union, I think an entirely different way.

As a amateur philosopher, I think completely different.

S'not so simple my friend!

And I'm serious. It'd be great if the world we live in was so 'black and white', but I'm afraid that's small town folklore.
 
Every married man has to think different until his wife says its ok to think another way.
 
One of the articles in the Airline Pilot mag is titled "ALPA endorses John Kerry."

Perhaps it should have been titled:

"The non-representative leadership of ALPA who believe they know more than their members endorse John Kerry."

Remember - these are ELECTED positions.
 
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The way I think of it is that ALPA is representing its' own special interests, and feels that union-specific issues would be better served by Kerry as President. I personally take a larger view than that and feel the countrys' overall interests are better served by Bush. But I understand why ALPA takes the position they do, and I don't feel "misrepresented" by them. How's that?

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The first part of this is exactly right. The Union feels that there issues will be better served is Kerry is president. They arent concerned with the same issues as everyone else. The union would be wrong to go with a candidate who was anti-union just b/c they agreed with his stance on global wars on terrorism for example.
 
Nice idea but there is an inherent fallacy.

ALPA is not your standard union! We are not considered blue collar. We are considered white collar, well compensated professionals.

Please show me an incident in recent history where:

a) A dem has done anything for ALPA or any pilot uinion
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b) A republican has done anything against ALPA or any pilot union

Here are some examples that go "against the grain"

1997 Bill Clinton orders AA pilots back to work after sriking for 20 minutes. The AA mgt were preinformed of this by the way.

1998 Bill Clinton approves the NMB order to confiscate and examine NW flight attendants personal computers in order to investigate alleged "unauthorized union activity."

2001 George W. Bush refuses to send Comair back to work even though several republican and democrat congressmen urge him to do so. "I will not infringe upon their right to job action." said Mr. Bush.

Just some food for thought.
 
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Please show me an incident in recent history where:

a) A dem has done anything for ALPA or any pilot uinion
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Kerry honors picket line, cancels speech

b) A republican has done anything against ALPA or any pilot union

Reagan presidency pivotal for unions

Tenney, puleeze bro, (insert 'shooting fish in a barrel' analogy here)

And if you want know more about what really happened with the Clinton PEB, considering I personally know Norman Mineta's son, who was on ALPA national legislative affairs during the PEB, you might not want to go 'there'. And the 'preinformed' thing is factually incorrect.
 
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...And if you want know more about what really happened with the Clinton PEB, considering I personally know Norman Mineta's son, who was on ALPA national legislative affairs during the PEB, you might not want to go 'there'. And the 'preinformed' thing is factually incorrect.

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What if someone doesn't want to go 'there', but is still curious about some details of that event (and are too dang lazy to look them up themself
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First of all Kerry stopping at a picket line does NOTHING to convince me of anything.

Don't give me the PUHLEEZE line either.

Reagan is over 20 years ago. And that was PATCO - not pilot unions.

I said pilot unions.
 
Lemme send him an email and see if it's alright to speak freely about what he told me.
 
Whoops you're talking about Mineta - we're getting crossed up being on line at the same time.

I may not be able to prove that AA mgt knew it would happen, but the AA negotiators said that 20 hrs before the strike the mgt negotiators got a call, closed up their briefcases and walked out of the conference room.
 
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Lemme send him an email and see if it's alright to speak freely about what he told me.

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I may not be able to prove that AA mgt knew it would happen,

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Busted!
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