Offering air experience flights as a commercial pilot

philknight said:
In the UK I don't think there is such a thing as Air Experience Flights like you can do in the US.

You are either providing an Air Service, or Providing a Lesson.

For the first the CAA will want to take lots of money off of you, ohh and the second the CAA will want to take lots of money off of you as well.

If you want to provide AEF style flying apply to the Air Cadets Gliding Schools they provide it under the auspices of the Royal Air Force and they can do what they like.
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Just saw the the original poster is in the UK!

in that case disregard everything we have here as the rules are quite different I'm sure
 
TXaviator said:
i should HOPE that a drug and alcohol compliance program isn't a substantial barrier to entry for anyone. :dunno: :confused:
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I imagine the harder thing is not the compliance but setting up the program itself - establishing some documentation on who gets tested, when, how, who does the testing, keeping track of all tests, doing the tests themselves, etc. Not insurmountable, of course, but somewhat more complicated than just not drinking.
 
milski said:
I imagine the harder thing is not the compliance but setting up the program itself - establishing some documentation on who gets tested, when, how, who does the testing, keeping track of all tests, doing the tests themselves, etc. Not insurmountable, of course, but somewhat more complicated than just not drinking.
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Especially if you're a one man operation. What are you going to report yourself? :confused:
 
mshunter said:
So scenic flights in a 172 are not legal? You need a LOA?
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No, you can't "just do scenic flights in a 172" with an airplane and a CPL.

Like others have said, you need a LOA from the local FSDO, which will encompass a drug/alcohol program. Not all that hard to set up. If you are doing scenic tours within 1/2 mile of federal land you need a part 135 certificate.

Especially if you're a one man operation. What are you going to report yourself?
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As for who will report you? Maybe the company that has set up a legit and legal operation on the field. You ever think about the people that you would be stepping on?
 
It's not that hard to get a drug/alcohol program. Buddy of mine (1 man operation) had to do that to be able to work as a contract mechanic for air carriers. There are companies that will sell you this service on the small scale. I don't think it costs too much. But unless you'd be doing a lot of scenic flights it might cost too much to be worth it.
 
Does being in the military and thus already under a drug screening program qualify for the FAA's requirement?
 
subpilot said:
Does being in the military and thus already under a drug screening program qualify for the FAA's requirement?
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No. One of our pilots flies for the ANG (and an airline guy) as well, and we had to list both in our program. At least that is what the our FSDO said.
 
subpilot said:
Does being in the military and thus already under a drug screening program qualify for the FAA's requirement?
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I don't think so, you have to register and implement your program. The requirements are in far part 120 and the Dept. of Transportation "Workplace Drug Testing Programs" (49 CFR part 40.)

I don't think what the military does is sufficient.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
I think he meant 'who will provide oversight for the drug and alcohol program.'
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That's what I mean. You wouldn't report yourself to the faa if you were using drugs, so who is going to report you to the faa in a one man op? As for the costs to benefits, if you already own a aircraft you probably wouldn't be losing more than the money pit is already costing.
 
b3181981 said:
That's what I mean. You wouldn't report yourself to the faa if you were using drugs, so who is going to report you to the faa in a one man op? As for the costs to benefits, if you already own a aircraft you probably wouldn't be losing more than the money pit is already costing.
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In order to get an LOA from the FSDO you need a drug testing program written out. There are several third parties that take care of this for you. If you say, I'm going through XYZ program, and don't there are actually FAA drug people that go around auditing companies. We have been through one ourselves.
 
OldTownPilot said:
In order to get an LOA from the FSDO you need a drug testing program written out. There are several third parties that take care of this for you. If you say, I'm going through XYZ program, and don't there are actually FAA drug people that go around auditing companies. We have been through one ourselves.
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Well what happens when they audit you and you are not going through a XYZ program.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
I don't think what the military does is sufficient.
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Interesting considering I have only been tested by the following aviation drug screening programs (1yr Eagle and 1yr IFTA) on the employment test but the military gets me about every 4-6 months on average.
 
A friend of mine is a regional pilot and gives rides in vintage airplanes. He's in two drug testing programs. One for the airline, one for the ride company. We're going to tour the midwest giving rides, but we may make it short instruction instead since it has dual controls. Then we won't have to get an LOA and start a drug testing program.
 
I had an indian student that got nailed on that question for his checkride. you need to be enrolled in an faa approved program, have a LOA, and something else i cant remember off hand, but theres this thing called the FAR's and i think its in the 135 section, and i think you can go as far out as 25 miles. But check on it.

If you even think about logging any of that type of time in a
students/passenegers log book with out a CFI, then there will be hell to pay with the FAA, and some of your fellows pilots that are CFI's

I had an incedent with a CFI/MEI (no II) that was teaching multi engine students SE ILS's in actual, and trying to pull crap like i have mentioned above. In a business where we help each other on an HOURLY basis. He was screwing alot of people. But what happened to him.........well thats another story!
 
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