SoaringFalcon
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For those of you who may be interested in what goes on at the Emirates Information Session, I pulled the following notes from one I went to recently. I do have a number of questions, but will put those on another thread. This is what the recruiters are telling us. If anyone would like to share their personal experience with Emirates, it would definately help those of us who are thinking about moving the family to Dubai. Thanks!
Emirates in General
1. Aircraft fleet
Life in Dubai?
1. pretty much crime free
4. Schooling
Cost of Living
1. Ford Explorer - $28,000
2. Satellite TV – $54.50 month
3. Local telephone – Free
4. House Mate - $6.80 per hour
5. Buffet meal - $40.10
6. 3 bedroom villa rental - $71,000 per year
7. 12-13% appreciation on property due to lack of supply of descent housing
10. milk - $2.60
11. bread – $0.55
12. movie theater - $8.20
Benefits (First Officers)
1. about $94,000 tax free (average of everything below)
Training Bond
1. First officer is $36,000
Visas
1. Visas are good for 3 year residency
1. Most families live in Silicon Oasis
3. Why people leaving?
5. low turnover rate
Emirates in General
1. Aircraft fleet
a. 115 aircraft
b. over 240 aircraft on order
2. 20% growth in last 3 yearsb. over 240 aircraft on order
1. pretty much crime free
a. certain communities not exposed to that
b. very safe
2. totally drug freeb. very safe
a. penalty for drugs is DEATH
b. pretty much a deterrent
c. don’t have to worry about someone peddling drugs to your kids
3. Arabic culture is a family lifestyleb. pretty much a deterrent
c. don’t have to worry about someone peddling drugs to your kids
4. Schooling
a. 95% of 18 year olds will go to their 1st choice University
d. when you go for interview, register your children for school at that time
e. of course this all depends on your nationality and where you live
f. have a very high standard of education
5. Evening lifestylei. speaker’s son was just accepted to a top BritishUniversity
b. there is a waiting list
i. 18 months ago there was a surplus
ii. built a lot of schools
iii. but now short again
c. Emirates pilots will jump to the top of the listii. built a lot of schools
iii. but now short again
d. when you go for interview, register your children for school at that time
e. of course this all depends on your nationality and where you live
f. have a very high standard of education
i. very much like private education
a. many people don’t go out until 8pm
6. You can have house matesi. dinner usually at 8pm
ii. by 10pm you can’t find a table
iii. come home – let’s go to dinner at 5 or 6 – “What? That’s tea time”
b. people stay up until 3pmii. by 10pm you can’t find a table
iii. come home – let’s go to dinner at 5 or 6 – “What? That’s tea time”
i. not rare to have traffic jams at 4am in the morning
c. just too hot to be out during the day
a. keep your house clean
7. Customer service is fantastic
a. no waits
b. world class facilities
c. customer service is king
d. only 7 star hotel in the world
e. since cater to tourists, want to offer the best
8. Abu Dhabi has about 100 years of oil leftb. world class facilities
c. customer service is king
d. only 7 star hotel in the world
e. since cater to tourists, want to offer the best
a. Dubai has about 10 years of oil left
b. changed towards tourism
c. Dubai Ports owns 40% of all the ports in the world
d. buying up property around the world
9. Dubai is the same flying time from the UK to the Caribbeanb. changed towards tourism
c. Dubai Ports owns 40% of all the ports in the world
d. buying up property around the world
a. first class facilities
b. luxury at affordable prices
c. and don’t have to worry about hurricanes
10. Lots of American companiesb. luxury at affordable prices
c. and don’t have to worry about hurricanes
a. banks
b. big Houston oil company new world headquarters is in Dubai
11. Three bad things to say about Dubai:b. big Houston oil company new world headquarters is in Dubai
a. June/July/August
b. for instance – May it was 120 degrees
c. however, you don’t have to pay for electricity
12. Winter is beautifulb. for instance – May it was 120 degrees
c. however, you don’t have to pay for electricity
i. keep AC on all the time
a. 24 degrees C at night (75 degrees F)
13. Over 120 nationalities
a. everything is spoken in English though
b. freeway signs
14. Daily life is not impactedb. freeway signs
i. left side English
ii. right side Arabic
ii. right side Arabic
a. not the CNN impression you see on TV
b. only time tough is the holy month of Ramadan
d. there are rumors of some hotels still providing alcohol in their bars
15. It is a very progressive societyb. only time tough is the holy month of Ramadan
i. during daylight in public there is no eating, drinking, or smoking
ii. it is a time for fasting during the day
c. at 8pm the bars openii. it is a time for fasting during the day
d. there are rumors of some hotels still providing alcohol in their bars
i. it is a tourist country
ii. not that it is wrong, but it is best to be respectful of the religion
ii. not that it is wrong, but it is best to be respectful of the religion
a. be aware, women dressing in shorts, bikini, or short skirt will get looked at
b. well, they always will get looked at
16. Dubailand being builtb. well, they always will get looked at
i. about the same as you look at a woman here wrapped up in Arabian clothes
c. women may need to cover up in some parts of the city though
a. twice the size of Disney World in Florida
b. amusement park
c. 43 themes
d. parts finished 2009 through 2020
17. Dubai Mall will be opening at the end of the yearb. amusement park
c. 43 themes
d. parts finished 2009 through 2020
a. largest mall in the world
18. Skiing
a. only $20 for skis, boots, and gloves
b. is right next to the mall
c. funny watching someone skiing past you behind the glass building
19. This is the worse driving you will see in your lifeb. is right next to the mall
c. funny watching someone skiing past you behind the glass building
a. they don’t have tests
b. basically take the gloves off
c. you are in the fast lane doing 100 and someone behind you trying to pass flashing lights
d. it is like German drivers with one tenth of the skill
e. Emirates will help you get your driver’s license
20. Lots of great barsb. basically take the gloves off
c. you are in the fast lane doing 100 and someone behind you trying to pass flashing lights
d. it is like German drivers with one tenth of the skill
e. Emirates will help you get your driver’s license
i. not difficult since from America
ii. you just have to take an eye test
ii. you just have to take an eye test
a. the city is buzzing at night
b. although you need a liquor license to purchase liquor at a store
c. and you are only allowed a certain amount during the week
21. There is no alcohol limit for drunk driving in Dubaib. although you need a liquor license to purchase liquor at a store
c. and you are only allowed a certain amount during the week
a. caught drinking and driving you are imprisoned for a month
b. then you are deported out of the country
c. taxi’s are really affordable
b. then you are deported out of the country
c. taxi’s are really affordable
i. I drive to where I am going
ii. have Valet park my car
iii. and take a taxi home
ii. have Valet park my car
iii. and take a taxi home
Cost of Living
1. Ford Explorer - $28,000
2. Satellite TV – $54.50 month
3. Local telephone – Free
4. House Mate - $6.80 per hour
5. Buffet meal - $40.10
6. 3 bedroom villa rental - $71,000 per year
7. 12-13% appreciation on property due to lack of supply of descent housing
a. property speculation is high
b. Russians come in and buy 4 houses cash
c. so many new companies coming in that they are taking up the accommodations for their employees
8. no taxb. Russians come in and buy 4 houses cash
c. so many new companies coming in that they are taking up the accommodations for their employees
a. no income tax
b. no tax on good and services
9. gas - $1.70 per gallonb. no tax on good and services
10. milk - $2.60
11. bread – $0.55
12. movie theater - $8.20
Benefits (First Officers)
1. about $94,000 tax free (average of everything below)
a. salary of about $74,000 regardless of how often fly
b. for every flight hour flown additional $12.25
c. for every flight hour flown over minimum of 78 hours $125.10
2. salary is increased 3% each yearb. for every flight hour flown additional $12.25
c. for every flight hour flown over minimum of 78 hours $125.10
a. occasionally they will review the salary and adjust it
b. for instance, this year it was adjusted 9% up
c. so the speaker got a 12% pay raise
3. accommodations – don’t live in compoundsb. for instance, this year it was adjusted 9% up
c. so the speaker got a 12% pay raise
a. family – Villa
b. water, gas, electric, and maintenance paid for
4. Pension schemeb. water, gas, electric, and maintenance paid for
i. want a nice lawn – don’t worry about water bill
ii. want a/c on continuously – don’t worry about electric bill
c. there is a waiting list for accommodationsii. want a/c on continuously – don’t worry about electric bill
i. due to delays in housing
ii. cement went from 9 Durams a bag to 40 Durams a bag in the last six months
d. best thing about company accommodations is that you are protected from the rise in accommodations costii. cement went from 9 Durams a bag to 40 Durams a bag in the last six months
i. due to need for housing, rent is skyrocketing
e. three options:
i. option 1
f. when you move in you will have a sand pit(1) fully furnished villa
(2) but each house looks exactly the same
(3) a starter pack of necessities
(4) and $1,000 for other stuff
(5) this is the safest option
ii. option 2(2) but each house looks exactly the same
(3) a starter pack of necessities
(4) and $1,000 for other stuff
(5) this is the safest option
(1) $8,000 you can use to ship your stuff over or purchase what you need
(2) nothing in house once you get there
iii. option 3
(1) housing allowance
(2) once do this and leave the residence, you can not go back
(3) not advisable
(4) housing allowance is $34,000 where rental will cost $71,000 per year
(2) nothing in house once you get there
iii. option 3
(1) housing allowance
(2) once do this and leave the residence, you can not go back
(3) not advisable
(4) housing allowance is $34,000 where rental will cost $71,000 per year
i. you will have to plant your own garden
ii. but water is free
ii. but water is free
a. how much goes in:
5. Profit Sharei. you automatically put in 5%
ii. company puts in 12% of your basic salary first 10 years
iii. company puts in 15% of your basic salary after first 10 years
iv. you can put in any amount more you wish
b. this fund is investedii. company puts in 12% of your basic salary first 10 years
iii. company puts in 15% of your basic salary after first 10 years
iv. you can put in any amount more you wish
i. hopefully it does well
c. between 5-7 years
i. you get all your contributions
ii. plus 75% of company contributions or 21 days per year salary (whichever is greater)
d. after 7 yearsii. plus 75% of company contributions or 21 days per year salary (whichever is greater)
i. you get all your contributions
ii. plus 100% of company contributions or 30 days per year salary (whichever is greater)
e. say $15,000 per year x 7 years = $105,000ii. plus 100% of company contributions or 30 days per year salary (whichever is greater)
a. usually 3 weeks or so of pay
b. 10 days ago came out for last year
6. Medical Benefitsb. 10 days ago came out for last year
i. every employee received 14 weeks of pay
ii. that’s an additional $20,000 for first year first officer
ii. that’s an additional $20,000 for first year first officer
a. employee covered in full
b. spouse and children – you must pay a slight fee
d. you don’t have to pay any bills at the one in Dubai
7. Flight benefitsb. spouse and children – you must pay a slight fee
i. about $200 per year
ii. taken out of your paycheck
iii. you never see it
c. covered in clinics all over the worldii. taken out of your paycheck
iii. you never see it
d. you don’t have to pay any bills at the one in Dubai
i. it is taken care of for you at the clinic
e. Dubai health clinic is state of the art
a. one travel to your annual leave destination
c. ID 50 – confirmed tickets for above
d. not sure what a CAT 99 is
8. Loss of License Insurancei. free ticket
b. ID 90 – standby for mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, parents-in-law
c. ID 50 – confirmed tickets for above
d. not sure what a CAT 99 is
a. 36x basic monthly salary
9. Life Assurance and Accident Insurance
a. 46x basic monthly salary
10. Schools:
a. primary school per child (max 3 children at one time)
d. however the American schools are for profit
11. Interest free car loani. 100% first $4,350
ii. 90% of next $4,350 ($3,915)
iii. basically you pay $435 out of $8,700
b. secondary school per child (max 3 children at one time)ii. 90% of next $4,350 ($3,915)
iii. basically you pay $435 out of $8,700
i. 100% first $6,810
ii. 90% of next $6,810 ($6,129)
iii. basically you pay $681 out of $13,620
c. many of the English speaking schools are non-profitii. 90% of next $6,810 ($6,129)
iii. basically you pay $681 out of $13,620
d. however the American schools are for profit
i. slightly higher cost than other schools
ii. however they look exactly like an AmericanSchool
iii. ball parks and the works
e. if you are in home town with private schoolii. however they look exactly like an AmericanSchool
iii. ball parks and the works
i. you can take this credit also
a. $19,000 car loan
b. this has no interest
c. taken out of your paycheck over a period of 4 years
d. you can add some of your own cash or take out another loan
12. Estimated take homeb. this has no interest
c. taken out of your paycheck over a period of 4 years
d. you can add some of your own cash or take out another loan
a. $112,000 tax free (includes cost of sending children to school)
b. plus accommodations (could be up to $70,000 a year in Dubai)
c. plus water and electricity
d. plus profit sharing
e. plus $200 a year for medical insurance
b. plus accommodations (could be up to $70,000 a year in Dubai)
c. plus water and electricity
d. plus profit sharing
e. plus $200 a year for medical insurance
Training Bond
1. First officer is $36,000
a. pro-rated over 3 year period
2. if leave early you need to pay your portion off
a. in a sense - $36,000 free to learn how to fly a wide body
Visas
1. Visas are good for 3 year residency
a. they are renewable
2. Emirates sponsors you
a. you sponsor your family
b. family defined as:
3. Females are sponsored by you indefinitelyb. family defined as:
i. two adults of opposite sex
ii. up to three children
iii. only 3 children eligible for these benefits
ii. up to three children
iii. only 3 children eligible for these benefits
a. males are sponsored until they graduate secondary school
b. then they need to get a job and have that employer sponsor them
4. Lots of people have house matesb. then they need to get a job and have that employer sponsor them
a. they are sponsored by you on your family visa
Other Information
1. Most families live in Silicon Oasis
a. about 550 Emirates families
2. There are two more areas being built currently
3. Why people leaving?
a. some say city growing too fast
c. main reason people leaving
4. washout rate – almost nili. not what they expected or were used to
b. may see some leave in a couple years due to US airlines
c. main reason people leaving
i. after 9/11 they needed a job
ii. on the streets
iii. now jobs are coming back
ii. on the streets
iii. now jobs are coming back
5. low turnover rate
a. 0.7%
6. lots of opportunities for wives
a. many work
b. speakers wife is a real estate agent and makes more than he does
7. around 12-18 days off a monthb. speakers wife is a real estate agent and makes more than he does
a. what people were doing were trying to bid lots of time off
b. and getting 14 days or more off in a row
c. what done is the computerized system will allow a string of days off
8. maximum days away for vacation is 21 days at one timeb. and getting 14 days or more off in a row
c. what done is the computerized system will allow a string of days off
i. but will put something in the middle
ii. you will see that gradually disappear
d. although will see computer system allow a max of 7 days off in a rowii. you will see that gradually disappear
a. that is when you can use your 1 free ticket
b. other times you can buy an ID90/ID50
b. other times you can buy an ID90/ID50
