New Part 61

Blackhawk

Blackhawk

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Some talked about the cross country change, but there are some much bigger changes. Among the ones I noticed that some pilots might be interested in:
NVGs- A bunch of additions. If applies to you, might want to look it up. Logging, currency, instruction...
Logging time. A bunch of changes. NVGs, PCATD/ATD, PIC.

61.23(b)(9)- military pilots no longer need a medical as long as the civilian operations stay within the US and only require a 3rd class medical.
61.39(a)(6)(i), (d) and (e)- Changes the phrase “60 calendar days” to read “2 calendar months” for the training required prior to the practical test.​
61.57(c)(2)-(5) Permits the use of flight simulators, flight training devices, or ATDs for
performing instrument recent flight experience. This is a big change and too lengthy to post. Basically you now have ways to maintain currency in the aircraft, with the use of simulators/flight training devices, aviation training devices, or a combination of the three.
61.57(d) Clarifies when an instrument proficiency check must be completed to serve as
the PIC under IFR or in weather conditions less than the minimums​
prescribed for VFR.
61.65(d) For an airplane, requires at least 10 hours of cross country time as PIC,
appropriate to the instrument rating sought, so that it conforms to the ICAO
requirements for instrument rating. Same with helicopter.​
61.65(g) Now have to wear a "view limiting device" while logging flight simulator or flight training device time.
61.73(b) Removes the requirement that military pilots and former military pilots be on
active flying status within the past 12 months to qualify under these special
rules. Deletes the requirement that military pilots and former military pilots
have PIC status to qualify for pilot certification under these special rules.
61.73(g) and 61.197(a)(2)(iv) Allows issuance of flight instructor certificates and ratings to military instructor pilots and examiners who can show having been designated as a
U.S. military instructor pilot or examiner. (Big heartburn at some FSDOs with this. They are "not ready to implement it". Hmmm. I'll try that excuse the next time a FAR changes). Provides an alternative method for U.S. military instructor pilots and examiners who hold an FAA flight instructor certificate to renew their flight instructor certificate and ratings (your annual checkride counts as renewal).​

61.129(a)(3)(iii)/ 61.129(a)(3)(iv)- Deletes the requirement that the commercial cross countries be done under VFR.
61.129 also clarifies for all categories/classes that it is either solo time or time with an authorized instructor on board while performing the duties of PIC.
61.157- Bunch of changes if it applies to you.
61.159(c)(3) Adds a provision to accommodate the crediting of flight engineer time for
U.S. military flight engineers for qualifying for an ATP certificate that is similar to what is provided for crediting flight engineer time under part 121. Sorry... don't think WSO time counts. But that's just me.​
61.195(c)(1) &(2) Establishes the flight instructor qualifications for providing instrument​
training in flight to be a CFII in the appropriate category and class of aircraft.
61.215(b) Deletes the privilege of advance ground instructors (AGIs) to provide training​
and endorsement for instrument training.

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Blackhawk said:
61.65(g) Now have to wear a "view limiting device" while logging flight simulator or flight training device time.
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Wait what?

61.129(a)(3)(iii)/ 61.129(a)(3)(iv)- Deletes the requirement that the commercial cross countries be done under VFR.
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Yay!
61.195(c)(1) &(2) Establishes the flight instructor qualifications for providing instrument​
training in flight to be a CFII in the appropriate category and class of aircraft.
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About freakin' time.
61.215(b) Deletes the privilege of advance ground instructors (AGIs) to provide training​
and endorsement for instrument training.
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Why not just do away with the AGI altogether?
 
The view limiting device change is slightly confusing. Why would you have to wear one if the simulator simulates IMC?
 
youngflyer said:
The view limiting device change is slightly confusing. Why would you have to wear one if the simulator simulates IMC?
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I did not post it, but the change also specifically requires the use of a view limiting deivice during commercial training.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
No, it clearly establishes that a CFI-I, without a CFI-A, CAN do instrument instruction in flight.
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Um, you may need to reread the regulation

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61.195(b) Aircraft Ratings. A flight instructor may not conduct flight
training in any aircraft for which the flight instructor does not hold:
(1) A pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate with the
applicable category and class rating;
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and what the FAA says the reg says:

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In accordance with Sec. 61.195(b)(1), a flight instructor who does
not hold the appropriate airplane multiengine rating on his/her flight
instructor certificate and the appropriate airplane category
multiengine class rating on his/her pilot certificate may not conduct
instrument training in a multiengine airplane unless that flight
instructor holds the appropriate airplane category multiengine class
rating on his/her pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate.
A flight instructor who only holds a flight instructor certificate with
an Instrument-Airplane rating and no airplane category multiengine
class rating on his/her pilot certificate may not conduct instrument
training in a multiengine airplane. 74 Federal Register at Page 42536
==============================
 
youngflyer said:
The view limiting device change is slightly confusing. Why would you have to wear one if the simulator simulates IMC?
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The OP missed a few details regarding hood+sim. Here is the new reg from 61.65:

(g) Use of flight simulators or flight training devices. If the instrument time was provided by an authorized instructor in a flight simulator or flight training device—
(1) A maximum of 30 hours may be performed in that flight simulator or flight training device if the instrument time was completed in accordance with part 142 of this chapter; or
(2) A maximum of 20 hours may be performed in that flight simulator or flight training device if the instrument time was not completed in accordance with part 142 of this chapter.
(h) Use of an aviation training device. A maximum of 10 hours of instrument time received in an aviation training device may be credited for the instrument time requirements of this section if—
(1) The device is approved and authorized by the FAA;
(2) An authorized instructor provides the instrument time in the device;
(3) No more than 10 hours of instrument time in a flight simulator or flight training device was credited for the instrument time requirements of this section;
(4) A view-limiting device was worn by the applicant when logging instrument time in the device; and
(5) The FAA approved the instrument training and instrument tasks performed in the device.


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Now what the heck is an aviation training device?
 
Blackhawk said:
I did not post it, but the change also specifically requires the use of a view limiting deivice during commercial training.
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Here's the explanation (the FAA's, not mine) for the commercial:

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As for the commenters' objections to use a view-limiting device and perform the instrument training in IMC, the answer is an aircraft being flown in IMC does not necessarily limit a person's vision to the outside and horizon. For example, an aircraft may be being flown between cloud layers and be considered an IMC operation; however, the pilot may be able to see outside the aircraft and see some portions of the horizon. Another example would be an aircraft being flown at night with reduced flight visibility; however, the ground lights and lighting around cities and towns would not limit a person's visual cues to the outside and horizon. The FAA has determined that requiring the use of a view- limiting device will better insure quality instrument training.
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The comment on the view-limiting device for training devices is a bit weird:

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Seven commenters objected to the proposed provision requiring use
of a view-limiting device when using a flight simulation device to
train for an instrument rating, because such devices can be configured
not to provide visual cues. One commenter suggested the rule instead
require that any device used be so configured.
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We have determined the use of view-limiting devices for maintaining
instrument recurrency in aviation training devices is necessary for
ensuring better transferability of instrument skills and abilities
between aviation training devices and the actual aircraft. The FAA
agrees that the use of an aviation training device should be used in
areas free of audible distraction or that headsets should be used, but
does not believe that a rule is necessary. The FAA will approve and
authorize the use of aviation training devices, and to those ends, we
are developing an Advisory Circular and making changes to FAA Order
8900.1 to provide this information.
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Here's what I think it means: Although the training device can be configured without being able to see out the "window", it might be in a room where you can see a table or the console where the CFI sits or picture on the wall, so it doesn't necessarily simulate the isolation of the cockpit.
 
Bernoulli Fan said:
The OP missed a few details regarding hood+sim. Here is the new reg from 61.65:

(g) Use of flight simulators or flight training devices. If the instrument time was provided by an authorized instructor in a flight simulator or flight training device—
(1) A maximum of 30 hours may be performed in that flight simulator or flight training device if the instrument time was completed in accordance with part 142 of this chapter; or
(2) A maximum of 20 hours may be performed in that flight simulator or flight training device if the instrument time was not completed in accordance with part 142 of this chapter.
(h) Use of an aviation training device. A maximum of 10 hours of instrument time received in an aviation training device may be credited for the instrument time requirements of this section if—
(1) The device is approved and authorized by the FAA;
(2) An authorized instructor provides the instrument time in the device;
(3) No more than 10 hours of instrument time in a flight simulator or flight training device was credited for the instrument time requirements of this section;
(4) A view-limiting device was worn by the applicant when logging instrument time in the device; and
(5) The FAA approved the instrument training and instrument tasks performed in the device.


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Now what the heck is an aviation training device?
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I did not miss it, I just should have posted that the change is extensive but forgot to.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
You need to go to AC 61-TD "FAA Approval of Basic Aviation
Training Devices and Advanced Aviation Training Devices" for the definition.
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Ok, so let's see if I understood this correctly.

There are two types of training devices, flight and aviation.

Flight training devices are those that represent a full cockpit, e.g. Frascas.

Aviation training devices involve a PC monitor, but can be either advanced or only basic ATDs depending on their certification.

Therefore if your flight school has anything less complete than a Frasca, students now need to wear a hood to log instrument time.
 
Blackhawk said:
I did not miss it, I just should have posted that the change is extensive but forgot to.
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My point was that there is a difference between FTDs and ATDs; the use of FTDs for the purpose of logging instrument time does not require a hood, as you stated in your original post. Only the use of ATDs requires such.
 
This seems a bit of life imitating art in the sense that this reminds me of that FAA regulation changes joke...
 
Roger said:
Why not just do away with the AGI altogether?
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There's more to teaching ground courses than an instrument rating. As far as I'm concerned, this finally gives some relevance to the IGI. About time! Now having an AGI and IGI is worth something!

MidlifeFlyer said:
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In accordance with Sec. 61.195(b)(1), a flight instructor who does
not hold the appropriate airplane multiengine rating on his/her flight
instructor certificate and the appropriate airplane category
multiengine class rating on his/her pilot certificate may not conduct
instrument training in a multiengine airplane unless that flight
instructor holds the appropriate airplane category multiengine class
rating on his/her pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate.
A flight instructor who only holds a flight instructor certificate with
an Instrument-Airplane rating and no airplane category multiengine
class rating on his/her pilot certificate may not conduct instrument
training in a multiengine airplane. 74 Federal Register at Page 42536
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:clap::clap::clap:
Thank. You. Jesus.

-mini
 
youngflyer said:
The view limiting device change is slightly confusing. Why would you have to wear one if the simulator simulates IMC?
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Because it's necessary to simulate the simulation of simulating IMC while in a simulator.

Clear as mud?



:D
 
Blackhawk said:
61.23(b)(9)- military pilots no longer need a medical as long as the civilian operations stay within the US and only require a 3rd class medical.
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Interesting. So the military flight medical counts for ops that only require a 3rd class medical.

Removes the requirement that military pilots and former military pilots be on
active flying status within the past 12 months to qualify under these special
rules.

Deletes the requirement that military pilots and former military pilots
have PIC status to qualify for pilot certification under these special rules.

Allows issuance of flight instructor certificates and ratings to military instructor pilots and examiners who can show having been designated as a
U.S. military instructor pilot or examiner. (Big heartburn at some FSDOs with this. They are "not ready to implement it". Hmmm. I'll try that excuse the next time a FAR changes).

Provides an alternative method for U.S. military instructor pilots and examiners who hold an FAA flight instructor certificate to renew their flight instructor certificate and ratings (your annual checkride counts as renewal).
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Finally. And good that the mil checkride, where one has to perform as an IP if they are one (must perform at your given qual level....ie- flight lead, IP, SEFE, etc), counts for FAA renewal.
 
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