New instrument PTS

pscraig

pscraig

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Looking over the new April 2004 Instrument PTS (FAA-S-8081-4D) there a few changes, but most notable is the deletion of steep turns for an instrument rating. They have also added a requirement to shoot a GPS (TAA) approach if the aircraft is IFR GPS equipped. Check it out:

April 2004 Instrument PTS
 
No kidding? No more steep turns for the IR??? Dammmit all! Those things under the hood have RUINED me for doing them visually.... and now they do away with them.!
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The FAA is finally making a little bit of sense! The requirement to shoot a GPS approach is wonderful. Although alot of the old-timers are scared, this is the right direction to be heading.

And those steep turns? Silly for an instrument checkride.

Just me, though...
 
Also, if the plane has autopilot (like most of the 172SPs), you are required to demonstrate its use during one nonprecision approach.

Guess the FAA is just keeping up with the times.
 
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Yeah, those brand new autopilots....
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no steep turns......yippeee, I hate them under the hood. Now if they could do away with the damn ILS Approach.
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I don't know if you remember, but 5-6 years ago, 95% of FBO rentals didn't have autopilot.
 
Speaking of PTS changes, an examiner told me today that they were going to require a circling approach to be performed in the new instrument PTS and that power off 180 degree approaches were going to be added to the private pilot PTS. The private applicants would be permitted to touchdown within the first 1/3 of the runway rather than -0/+200ft of a specified point.
 
The new instrument PTS does require a circling approach. Not sure if the old one did or not-I always train students for it anyway.
 
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I don't know if you remember, but 5-6 years ago, 95% of FBO rentals didn't have autopilot.

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I don't know if you remember, but 5-6 years ago, 95% of FBO rentals didn't have autopilot.

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Why wouldn't I remember??
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Now if they could do away with the damn ILS Approach.

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Heck no! I always have loved ILSes.

I had to fly a circling approach on my IR ride - a VOR-A. We actually landed and discussed a few things before taking off for the next part of the ride. Circling approaches are kinda fun. I'm glad I was drilled on them quite a bit as I flew the real deal a few months later.
 
And they also did away with compass and timed turns. I always hated those.

It will be interesting to see if they change the CFII PTS to match the tasks in this new IRA PTS.
 
Hum, well does that not apply to part 141 schools? because I did my instrument checkride just 3 weeks ago and I had to do steep turns!
 
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Hum, well does that not apply to part 141 schools? because I did my instrument checkride just 3 weeks ago and I had to do steep turns!

[/ QUOTE ]The new one doesn't become effective until October.
 
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And they also did away with compass and timed turns. I always hated those.

[/ QUOTE ]Not really. It's just part of the incorporation of advanced aircraft where partial panel means using an attitude indicator as backup. There's just no reason for a separate compass or timed turn task when dealing with those airplanes.

But if you're in an airplane with primary vacuum instruments, you'll still have to do one of the other performing the "loss of primary flight instruments" task.

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It will be interesting to see if they change the CFII PTS to match the tasks in this new IRA PTS.

[/ QUOTE ]Not really an "if" issue. More like "when".
 
Hmmm. I never really did see the point of steep turns under the hood. The unusual attitudes were enough IMO to evaluate how you do as far as coordinationg goes. I was all set (and eager) to shoot a GPS approach on my checkride, then the DE said he didn't know how to do one. My last approach was a circling approach, too. By that point, I was totally drained and exhausted. I got to the MAP, set us up on a downwind leg, and he took it from there. Never been so happy to hand the controls over in my life.
 
After doing a single-engine ILS and partial panel VOR with full procedure turn my examiner was nice enough to give me the option of either and NDB or a vectored GPS.....of course I took the GPS!!!
 
I think I will be good on my CFII ckrd as long as I don't get a partial panel ILS....difficult to maintain localizer within 500 ft of DH with that heading indicator failed, especically on north or south oriented runway.

Luckily, partial panel ILS is not in the PTS, although stranger things have happned....
 
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