New Commercial Pilot!

88MPH

88MPH

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Hey all! Just got back from the arpt. PASSED MY COMMERCIAL ASEL!!!

YAH FREAKIN HOO!!!!

So if anyone has any ?s while it's still fresh in my head...


The things I can remember is starting off with a scenario of him "anyone" asking me to take him & his plane to XYZ airport for $$$. Could I do it... YES.

What if it were my plane, could I still do it? ... YES.

All documents needed for a ramp check, Pilot, Aircraft, Recency of experience for carrying passengers at night for hire (including required equipment)

What was great is that the c182rg JUST came out of it's annual, and NONE OF IT WAS LOGGED!!! I was there for 8 hours!!!! :insane: :insane: :insane: :insane:
 
gypsimac said:
What if it were my plane, could I still do it? ... YES.
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First off, CONGRATS!! The commercial is a big step, IMO.



PS Are you sure you could take someone for compensation or hire out in your personal airplane? I dont see it anywhere in part 119 that says you could. See AC 120-12A definition of common carriage.
 
meritflyer said:
PS Are you sure you could take someone for compensation or hire out in your personal airplane? I dont see it anywhere in part 119 that says you could. See AC 120-12A definition of common carriage.
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As we discussed, and looked up, I cant remember what the reference, but the main thing was not holding out (i.e. he came and asked me) and I wouldn't do that for anyone, to anywhere, at anytime. If I am wrong, tell me. I don't mind being proven wrong! No sarcasm either. I don't want to be mistaken if it comes up for real.
 
I think its one of those grey areas of piloting. Advisory Circular 120-12A discusses common carriage to be

1) holding out or a willingness to
2) transport persons or property
3) from place to place
4) for compensation

Lets take a look at each element of 120-12A

1) Holding out can accomplished through the actions of agents, salesman or general willingness to carry property or passengers for compensation or hire. 120-12A states the expression of willingness to all customers with whom contact is made that the operator can and will perform the requested is sufficient evidence of holding out. Even if he were to seek you out, you are still displaying an expression of willingness to fly them around for compensation. This infact would constitute you operating as an air carrier without a 121 or 135 certificate.

2) You are infact willing to transport persons in this example.

3) Where they would need to go (from place to place)

4) For any form of compensation. If they pay for the fuel, possibly your hotel, food, and landing fees, you are in fact being compensated. Even free flights offered to passengers in exchange for tips has been held up to be compensation.

Not to say you could or couldnt do it. But, I always suggest you ask one simple question "Who is providing the aircraft?". If you are, I wouldnt advise carrying passengers for compensation or hire. If you were to, I'd keep it very rare. Remember, holding out can even be a reputation to carry people from place to place. If they come to you and ask you to fly their Bonanza for them, go for it. There are also additional inspections that must take place for an aircraft to be operated for hire. FAR 91.409 states a 100 hour inspection and annual must be performed if the aircraft is carrying anyone other than a required crewmember for hire or flight instruction.

Summary - I wouldnt do it. The problem is there is way too much grey matter with the determination of common and private carriage. The terms used in the regs are very broad. I personally would think such an action would constitute holding out.

Let me know your thoughts.
 
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