New 757 rates at NWA

DE727UPS

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APC lists maxed out rates at NWA as 142/97. Since the TA hasn't been voted on yet, I'm assuming those rates don't reflect the 23.9% cut. Figure that in and you're looking at 108/74 as maxed out (12th year) rates to fly a 757.

Horizon 14th year RJ Capt rates are 107.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it....

PS: I hope I'm wrong about the rates currently posted at APC.
 
DE727UPS said:
APC lists maxed out rates at NWA as 142/97. Since the TA hasn't been voted on yet, I'm assuming those rates don't reflect the 23.9% cut. Figure that in and you're looking at 108/74 as maxed out (12th year) rates to fly a 757.

Horizon 14th year RJ Capt rates are 107.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it....

PS: I hope I'm wrong about the rates currently posted at APC.

What is a TA & CASM? Secondly...have they listed the terms of NWA's pilot concessions and when does it go to the pilots to vote? Was it a fair or at least palpable resolution for both side...lol I know I'm on crack! Last question...why'd the pilots crack?
 
I've been doing a bunch of MEM turns out of CLT on reserve and we've given rides to a bunch of really nice NWA guys. Some people on their property are ready to riot. I feel bad for them. I guess it's a message to live within your means, but you don't go to work expecting your salary to be chopped up and spit out.

I wish the best for them.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Last question...why'd the pilots crack?
They didn't exactly "crack." The company originally wanted to start a whole new company to outsource flying in larger jets currently flown by mainline pilots. The pilots got NWA to completely give up on that idea (for now). The pay cuts (I believe) are not as high as originally requested by the airline. The pilots accepted pay cuts (I presume) because they (ALPA) have highly paid consultants who told them that the airline would fail if pay weren't reduced.

MF
 
"What is a TA"

Tentitive agreement. That's when the union and company negiotate contract terms. The pilot group still has to vote on it.

Personally, I don't think pilot pay would sink NWA. It's just not that big a factor in the overall scheme of things.
 
Minnesota_Flyer said:
They didn't exactly "crack." The company originally wanted to start a whole new company to outsource flying in larger jets currently flown by mainline pilots. The pilots got NWA to completely give up on that idea (for now). The pay cuts (I believe) are not as high as originally requested by the airline. The pilots accepted pay cuts (I presume) because they (ALPA) have highly paid consultants who told them that the airline would fail if pay weren't reduced.

MF
From what I gathered by reading the first post.. the TA specifies for a 23.9% paycut...if that's just all out or within a few years, i don't know... but the pilots haven't caved - simply because they haven't had a chance to vote on it yet.

how long do you want to bet it'll go before they ask for more concessions and try to use outsourcing as the bargaining chip? :mad:
 
I don't understand

Why doesn't Alpa and the mechanics union start doing some public work. I mean all we hear from is management. Why not any commercials on TV regarding the dangers of outsourcing maintenance or highlighting the safety record of well paid ALPA pilots???? Right now all anyone cares about is the cheapest ticket becuase the average Joe doesn't realize how prices are getting so low.
 
shooter13 said:
Why doesn't Alpa and the mechanics union start doing some public work. I mean all we hear from is management. Why not any commercials on TV regarding the dangers of outsourcing maintenance or highlighting the safety record of well paid ALPA pilots???? Right now all anyone cares about is the cheapest ticket becuase the average Joe doesn't realize how prices are getting so low.

I think that you just answered your own question!
 
DE727UPS said:
APC lists maxed out rates at NWA as 142/97. Since the TA hasn't been voted on yet, I'm assuming those rates don't reflect the 23.9% cut. Figure that in and you're looking at 108/74 as maxed out (12th year) rates to fly a 757.

Horizon 14th year RJ Capt rates are 107.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it....

PS: I hope I'm wrong about the rates currently posted at APC.

Everyday I wake up, I keep hearing "It's the end of the world as we know it... " by R.E.M., but oddly enough I sure as sh*t don't "feel fine."

Seriously, WTF is wrong with this country.

I was in Wal-Mart (Devil Mart) the other day in uniform. And this employee stops me asnd asks if I'm a pilot. I say yes. She says "You make the big bucks, don't you." I say no, not really. She says "Yes you do." I say NO, I REALLY don't I make $532 every pay period. She gets a look of shock on her face (realizing she makes more than I do) and says "That's it?"

When we have employees at devil-mart looking down on our pay, something is seriously wrong.
 
you should have ended it with "why else would i be shopping here?" type question... haha
 
Unfortunately pay at the majors is coming down to regional levels rather than the other way around. It may now be impossible for regional pilots to obtain more lucrative contracts because the operating economics of a 737 or A320 look much better than they already do vs. a 50 or 70 seat RJ when the crews are paid the same. We're getting close to that. The ALPA majors are paying for what they gave up in scope with cuts from the bottom of their payscales. And it's still only "the elite" that get to go work for a major, after putting in years at a regional, maintaining a perfect record, good health, and giving up a place near the top of a long seniority list. That "reward" is looking less and less appealing every month, but it's still better than looking forward to flying at a regional forever. That's why you still have twenty-gazillion resumes at CAL even though starting pay is less than what I make as a 2nd year RJ FO. That is why you'd probably still have thousands of resumes if starting pay was 20 bucks an hour.

That said, I can't be too critical. Of course I have my application in at CAL.

The Majors used to be the carrot dangling on a string, a foot in front of the face of every regional pilot. Pretty soon no one will be cracking six figures until they get to the widebodies as captains, and that will be only carrot. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but it sure seems like things are headed that way.
 
There are still jobs out there that will pay off big. Examples of this are FedEx, UPS, Southwest, and a handful of large cargo operators. You can crack $143 an hour at Kalitta.
 
John Herreshoff said:
There are still jobs out there that will pay off big. Examples of this are FedEx, UPS, Southwest, and a handful of large cargo operators. You can crack $143 an hour at Kalitta.

Kalitta..is that the place where the 747 engine fell off?!
 
Yeah no kidding. At least the cargo pilots are still giving the pax guys hope that they can get the company to "cut us off a slice" when the gettin' is good, if it's ever good again. There's no doubt that FedEx and UPS are pretty much everyone's jobs of choice right now. I flew with a guy a few weeks ago who's in the pool at FedEx. I've also been flying with several guys lately who are interviewing with some foreign airlines, like Cathay Pacific, and of course, the typical SWA crowd. I flew with both halves of a married couple this month, both captains, both just shelled out the 5 grand and used a week of their vacation to get the 737 type.
 
It's only ONE engine, they had three more! Anyways, the aircraft performed better than it would have with a typical engine cut because of the lack of drag from the displaced engine.
 
I'm probably going to get flamed (well, warmed... ya'll are mostly nice around here) for saying this but....


I have no problem with the prospect of putting my time in at the regionals and then going on to someplace like Frontier or Airtran and toping out at 120K after 10 or so years. Don't get me wrong. I would like to see the wages go back up to what they were, but I just don't think it is going to happen. I would much rather people spend their time trying to get the bottom end of the wages up to the high 30s and low 40s for the first year or so. But, of course, the people that negotiate these things are all senior and don't give a rats backside. I know I know. Get involved. But either way, for people to say that the ONLY good jobs left are at FDX and UPS, I just don't buy it. I am much more concerned about going somewhere and staying there then going there and making bank.
 
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