Multiple injuries on JetBlue 429 due to convective turbulence

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This happened yesterday evening (Thurs, 8/11). BOS-SMF, with a divert to RAP after 22 passengers and 2 cabin crew were injured.

http://www.aerotime.aero/en/safety-...red-as-jetblue-s-a320-suffers-from-turbulence

Last night looked nasty. I was sitting in back of a Southwest flight from MDW-DEN, and saw almost continuous lightning for the entire flight. When we landed in DEN, I took a screenshot on MyRadar. This was an hour or two after the JetBlue incident.

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Not sure why there is ANY joking with this.

As professionals this should be one of our biggest fears, injuring passengers or crew.

To make light of this is extraordinarily unprofessional.
 
Not sure why there is ANY joking with this.

As professionals this should be one of our biggest fears, injuring passengers or crew.

To make light of this is extraordinarily unprofessional.

At some point, you just have to give up on certain individuals and move on. They were flying in moderate turbulence for at least 30 minutes prior to the upset. Why any passenger, or for that matter, FA was not seated with their seatbelt fastened is ludicrous. Certain people think that the rules don't apply to them. When reality bites them in the ass, they deserve the ridicule.

I'm glad nobody was injured seriously or killed, but as I tell my kids when they decide to learn by stupidity rather than listening to smarter people, "You were warned, dumbass."

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I'm glad nobody was injured seriously or killed, but as I tell my kids when they decide to learn by stupidity rather than listening to smarter people, "You were warned, dumbass."

What torques my jaws is that I can do everything right, stay in my seat, seat belt tightly fastened, and I can still have my neck broken by one of these idiots flying around the cabin.
 
There was a lady sitting next to me on a flight that never wore her seat belt on the entire flight and the flight attendants didn't catch it. I almost told her to put her darn seatbelt on because I don't want her falling into me if things go pear shaped. I even hinted with a "I think this us yours" while holding the belt buckle up when we began to move and she still didn't put it on.
 
There was a lady sitting next to me on a flight that never wore her seat belt on the entire flight and the flight attendants didn't catch it. I almost told her to put her darn seatbelt on because I don't want her falling into me if things go pear shaped. I even hinted with a "I think this us yours" while holding the belt buckle up when we began to move and she still didn't put it on.

Might be one fewer person to have to fight out the door, though.
 
I think back in 2010 or 11' I was flying somewhere just east of the rockies at 39000'. Everything was pretty routine about an hour into the flight when all of a sudden we started to get slight mountain wave. One second later, whaaaaap! It was as if a hammer had smacked the airplane. Everything went flying in the cockpit. This was when we still carried flight cases. I remember my left shoulder taking a hit from it. The mx can flew up and scratched my right hand. I looked at airspeed and were fluctuating between mach .62 to .90. Up and down drafts of 1500'/min. This all happened in less than 30 seconds when I finally said enough and asked the copilot to ask for lower. He couldnt even get his fingertips on the PTT because the plane was bouncing around so violently. I started to hear pax screaming in the back when the copilot finally got a hold of the mic and asked for lower. The controller told us to contact some other frequency but at this point I began to question whether we were injuring flight attendants and pax in the back. I didn't know if it would get worse but if it did, we would pretty much be in an uncontrolled state, we were barely hanging on as it was.

After we attempted to contact the new controller over and over with no answer, pax screaming, and stuff flying, I said enough was enough. I pictured landing the plane and some pax being wheeled off in a stretcher and the FAA/company coming after me for not doing anything about it. I disconnected the autopilot and descended. As soon as we descended, we got ahold of center and told them what was going on. The controller first was upset that we descended without a clearance, but the alternative was pax injured and who knows what else. I immediately told the guy we were declaring an emergency and informed him of what was going on and he immediately cleared us down to the low 30's. As we got to the mid 30's the turbulence subsided. Everybody was shaken up pretty bad. I remember leveling off and telling the controller we had it under control and the next thing I know I hear everyone on the radio asking to stay the hell away from our area. "United 123, we want to stay 100 miles away from that aircraft." "Delta 123, same for us". "Frontier 123, yeah 100 miles away for us". I think I heard 5-6 airplanes in the sector say that when the controller finally said that they were working on rerouting everyone.

About a month later I get a call from the student council rep asking me what happened. After I told him, he informed me that the FAA was pissed and wanted bacon on a platter. I was so pissed when I heard that. I felt as though the rep was not going to bat for me. How could he if he hadn't heard my side of the event and already discussed it with the FAA. I told him to give me the FAA's number and that I would hire a lawyer and contact the media and tell them how I took action to keep everyone safe, and now the company and the FAA rep were looking to make a name for themselves. I remember telling him how I did the LAS-PSP shuttle 8 times a day in the brasilia in the summer back in the day. Now that was turbulence. This was worse. I never heard back from anyone after that phone call.

The things I learned that day:

Do what you have to to keep everyone safe, but you better be able to CYA in case you're called out like I was.

Without a union, you are on your own.


I can talk about it now all these years later and not care, because well, I just DGAF. Be safe out there guys.
 
I think back in 2010 or 11' I was flying somewhere just east of the rockies at 39000'. Everything was pretty routine about an hour into the flight when all of a sudden we started to get slight mountain wave. One second later, whaaaaap! It was as if a hammer had smacked the airplane. Everything went flying in the cockpit. This was when we still carried flight cases. I remember my left shoulder taking a hit from it. The mx can flew up and scratched my right hand. I looked at airspeed and were fluctuating between mach .62 to .90. Up and down drafts of 1500'/min. This all happened in less than 30 seconds when I finally said enough and asked the copilot to ask for lower. He couldnt even get his fingertips on the PTT because the plane was bouncing around so violently. I started to hear pax screaming in the back when the copilot finally got a hold of the mic and asked for lower. The controller told us to contact some other frequency but at this point I began to question whether we were injuring flight attendants and pax in the back. I didn't know if it would get worse but if it did, we would pretty much be in an uncontrolled state, we were barely hanging on as it was.

After we attempted to contact the new controller over and over with no answer, pax screaming, and stuff flying, I said enough was enough. I pictured landing the plane and some pax being wheeled off in a stretcher and the FAA/company coming after me for not doing anything about it. I disconnected the autopilot and descended. As soon as we descended, we got ahold of center and told them what was going on. The controller first was upset that we descended without a clearance, but the alternative was pax injured and who knows what else. I immediately told the guy we were declaring an emergency and informed him of what was going on and he immediately cleared us down to the low 30's. As we got to the mid 30's the turbulence subsided. Everybody was shaken up pretty bad. I remember leveling off and telling the controller we had it under control and the next thing I know I hear everyone on the radio asking to stay the hell away from our area. "United 123, we want to stay 100 miles away from that aircraft." "Delta 123, same for us". "Frontier 123, yeah 100 miles away for us". I think I heard 5-6 airplanes in the sector say that when the controller finally said that they were working on rerouting everyone.

About a month later I get a call from the student council rep asking me what happened. After I told him, he informed me that the FAA was pissed and wanted bacon on a platter. I was so pissed when I heard that. I felt as though the rep was not going to bat for me. How could he if he hadn't heard my side of the event and already discussed it with the FAA. I told him to give me the FAA's number and that I would hire a lawyer and contact the media and tell them how I took action to keep everyone safe, and now the company and the FAA rep were looking to make a name for themselves. I remember telling him how I did the LAS-PSP shuttle 8 times a day in the brasilia in the summer back in the day. Now that was turbulence. This was worse. I never heard back from anyone after that phone call.

The things I learned that day:

Do what you have to to keep everyone safe, but you better be able to CYA in case you're called out like I was.

Without a union, you are on your own.


I can talk about it now all these years later and not care, because well, I just DGAF. Be safe out there guys.

Something similar happened to me while flying through stratus clouds that turned out be obscuring a gnarly thunderstorm in Havana's airspace I couldn't get ahold of them and was barely keeping the wings level. I managed to turn 90 degrees and exit the weather. Afterwards, I got ahold of Havana and told them that I deviated for weather. I didn't hear a peep about it afterwards though.
 
There was a lady sitting next to me on a flight that never wore her seat belt on the entire flight and the flight attendants didn't catch it. I almost told her to put her darn seatbelt on because I don't want her falling into me if things go pear shaped. I even hinted with a "I think this us yours" while holding the belt buckle up when we began to move and she still didn't put it on.

Did she speak English? I once had that happen on a flight, it wasn't very full and that person had an entire row. The FA's were wacky on that flight anyways, but for some reason let this person sleep stretched out on the seats, and didn't make them sit upright and with their seat belt fastened when we were notified that we were approaching the airport. As would be expected, they rolled off the seats upon landing onto the floor. It was such a strange flight...
 
I think back in 2010 or 11' I was flying somewhere just east of the rockies at 39000'. Everything was pretty routine about an hour into the flight when all of a sudden we started to get slight mountain wave. One second later, whaaaaap! It was as if a hammer had smacked the airplane. Everything went flying in the cockpit. This was when we still carried flight cases. I remember my left shoulder taking a hit from it. The mx can flew up and scratched my right hand. I looked at airspeed and were fluctuating between mach .62 to .90. Up and down drafts of 1500'/min. This all happened in less than 30 seconds when I finally said enough and asked the copilot to ask for lower. He couldnt even get his fingertips on the PTT because the plane was bouncing around so violently. I started to hear pax screaming in the back when the copilot finally got a hold of the mic and asked for lower. The controller told us to contact some other frequency but at this point I began to question whether we were injuring flight attendants and pax in the back. I didn't know if it would get worse but if it did, we would pretty much be in an uncontrolled state, we were barely hanging on as it was.

After we attempted to contact the new controller over and over with no answer, pax screaming, and stuff flying, I said enough was enough. I pictured landing the plane and some pax being wheeled off in a stretcher and the FAA/company coming after me for not doing anything about it. I disconnected the autopilot and descended. As soon as we descended, we got ahold of center and told them what was going on. The controller first was upset that we descended without a clearance, but the alternative was pax injured and who knows what else. I immediately told the guy we were declaring an emergency and informed him of what was going on and he immediately cleared us down to the low 30's. As we got to the mid 30's the turbulence subsided. Everybody was shaken up pretty bad. I remember leveling off and telling the controller we had it under control and the next thing I know I hear everyone on the radio asking to stay the hell away from our area. "United 123, we want to stay 100 miles away from that aircraft." "Delta 123, same for us". "Frontier 123, yeah 100 miles away for us". I think I heard 5-6 airplanes in the sector say that when the controller finally said that they were working on rerouting everyone.

About a month later I get a call from the student council rep asking me what happened. After I told him, he informed me that the FAA was pissed and wanted bacon on a platter. I was so pissed when I heard that. I felt as though the rep was not going to bat for me. How could he if he hadn't heard my side of the event and already discussed it with the FAA. I told him to give me the FAA's number and that I would hire a lawyer and contact the media and tell them how I took action to keep everyone safe, and now the company and the FAA rep were looking to make a name for themselves. I remember telling him how I did the LAS-PSP shuttle 8 times a day in the brasilia in the summer back in the day. Now that was turbulence. This was worse. I never heard back from anyone after that phone call.

The things I learned that day:

Do what you have to to keep everyone safe, but you better be able to CYA in case you're called out like I was.

Without a union, you are on your own.


I can talk about it now all these years later and not care, because well, I just DGAF. Be safe out there guys.

Same thing happened to me in nearly the same spot. I think it was an SLC to the east coast and we passed over the Rockies just north of Denver in the low 40s. Not fun. The PAX screaming turned out to be the kids having a ball. Still I didn't enjoy the experience one bit.
 
At some point, you just have to give up on certain individuals and move on. They were flying in moderate turbulence for at least 30 minutes prior to the upset. Why any passenger, or for that matter, FA was not seated with their seatbelt fastened is ludicrous. Certain people think that the rules don't apply to them. When reality bites them in the ass, they deserve the ridicule.

I'm glad nobody was injured seriously or killed, but as I tell my kids when they decide to learn by stupidity rather than listening to smarter people, "You were warned, dumbass."

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Actual, non-SJI moderate? For thirty minutes? Ain't nobody got time for that.

Agreed with you on the seat belt sign. I rode in back from SFO-MSP the other day (first time alllllll the way in the back of the old airplane, in fact) and was sort of amazed at how nonchalantly people ignored it. Especially with that tail rockin' around like it does. We spend all this time worrying about the turbulence hazard, and yet when the sign is turned on, it's ignored.

"Well, we tried."
 
I think back in 2010 or 11' I was flying somewhere just east of the rockies at 39000'. Everything was pretty routine about an hour into the flight when all of a sudden we started to get slight mountain wave. One second later, whaaaaap! It was as if a hammer had smacked the airplane. Everything went flying in the cockpit. This was when we still carried flight cases. I remember my left shoulder taking a hit from it. The mx can flew up and scratched my right hand. I looked at airspeed and were fluctuating between mach .62 to .90. Up and down drafts of 1500'/min. This all happened in less than 30 seconds when I finally said enough and asked the copilot to ask for lower. He couldnt even get his fingertips on the PTT because the plane was bouncing around so violently. I started to hear pax screaming in the back when the copilot finally got a hold of the mic and asked for lower. The controller told us to contact some other frequency but at this point I began to question whether we were injuring flight attendants and pax in the back. I didn't know if it would get worse but if it did, we would pretty much be in an uncontrolled state, we were barely hanging on as it was.

After we attempted to contact the new controller over and over with no answer, pax screaming, and stuff flying, I said enough was enough. I pictured landing the plane and some pax being wheeled off in a stretcher and the FAA/company coming after me for not doing anything about it. I disconnected the autopilot and descended. As soon as we descended, we got ahold of center and told them what was going on. The controller first was upset that we descended without a clearance, but the alternative was pax injured and who knows what else. I immediately told the guy we were declaring an emergency and informed him of what was going on and he immediately cleared us down to the low 30's. As we got to the mid 30's the turbulence subsided. Everybody was shaken up pretty bad. I remember leveling off and telling the controller we had it under control and the next thing I know I hear everyone on the radio asking to stay the hell away from our area. "United 123, we want to stay 100 miles away from that aircraft." "Delta 123, same for us". "Frontier 123, yeah 100 miles away for us". I think I heard 5-6 airplanes in the sector say that when the controller finally said that they were working on rerouting everyone.

About a month later I get a call from the student council rep asking me what happened. After I told him, he informed me that the FAA was pissed and wanted bacon on a platter. I was so pissed when I heard that. I felt as though the rep was not going to bat for me. How could he if he hadn't heard my side of the event and already discussed it with the FAA. I told him to give me the FAA's number and that I would hire a lawyer and contact the media and tell them how I took action to keep everyone safe, and now the company and the FAA rep were looking to make a name for themselves. I remember telling him how I did the LAS-PSP shuttle 8 times a day in the brasilia in the summer back in the day. Now that was turbulence. This was worse. I never heard back from anyone after that phone call.

The things I learned that day:

Do what you have to to keep everyone safe, but you better be able to CYA in case you're called out like I was.

Without a union, you are on your own.


I can talk about it now all these years later and not care, because well, I just DGAF. Be safe out there guys.

I hate that I can put myself at the scene when reading it. That's scary stuff
 
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