multi , ifr rating in FSA

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dongdpsioc

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hey here

I hold a canadian commercial licence currently . And I hope to get my multi and instrment done asap in FSA.
The only thing I am concerned is the cost of the training in this school based on average.
Or there is any other suggestion for the multi ifr training aroud Texas,Florida.


thanks guyz
 
dongdpsioc said:
hey here

I hold a canadian commercial licence currently . And I hope to get my multi and instrment done asap in FSA.
The only thing I am concerned is the cost of the training in this school based on average.
Or there is any other suggestion for the multi ifr training aroud Texas,Florida.


thanks guyz
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as with all "well known" flight schools.. you're paying extra for the name.. but if you're looking for good training in a structured enviroment, FSI is a good choice, IMO.. there is also ATP with locations everywhere..
 
There are several schools in Florida. If your looking for good instruction at a valuable price with QUALITY aircraft there is one place I can recommend because I have been there. It's Paris Air, located across the ramp from FSA. Just some rough figures. FSA multi, Seminole (180HP) $339/hr, $56/hr brief time; Paris Air's multi, a Seneca (200HP) $265/hr, ~$28/hr brief time. Housing at FSA has 3 different options depending on how much privacy you want. Paris has housing in condos with most likely 2 other roommates and the condos are coed and about 7 miles from the airport and transportation is provided if you don't have your own, but at a cost. FSA housing is within walking distance to the airport. Orlando has a couple flight schools, one that i rent from is Air Orlando, which has a DA-42 TwinStar for 299/hr, not too sure on the cost of brief time. If your looking to get done "ASAP" like you mentioned I would turn away from FSA. Individual paying students get the backburner to accommodate contract students. Don't let the big name deter you. Also, like ParrotheadJGR11 said check into ATP if you're looking for other locations out of Florida. Good luck with your Multi and instrument.

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I urge anyone that is looking for quality flight training to do simple research and form individual opinions from fact. Recognize. Advice given can be ripples from past experiences. FlightSafety currently has excellent student to instructor ratios and aircraft availability.

Please don't hesitate to call us: 800-800-1411
 
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Star-Bright Aviation has rates lower than anywhere else I've seen (I'm an MEI student here now):

$3700 Pt. 141 Private (includes checkride, books, HOUSING, ground, flight instruction--everything you need except food)

$110.00 per hour TWIN time PA-30 100 hr. block (no safety pilots here--you get the full 100 hours, and than price includes an instructor & housing & fuel!)

<$40k for zero to MEI for everything except food, including 115 hours of Twin time.

See their website or call/email for specifics. Want a longer reference? PM me.

Two full time instructors live here year round and are not going to the airlines (one of them has 10,000+ hours). Housing is new and 1 minute from the hangers. Excellent maintenance. Fly night, actual IMC--your choice (try that at FSI or ATP!) Honest people, good instruction--and no distractions in the middle of KS :) :)
 
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dwe213 said:
Star-Bright Aviation has rates lower than anywhere else I've seen (I'm an MEI student here now):

$3700 Pt. 141 Private (includes checkride, books, HOUSING, ground, flight instruction--everything you need except food)

$110.00 per hour TWIN time PA-30 100 hr. block (no safety pilots here--you get the full 100 hours, and than price includes an instructor & housing & fuel!)

<$40k for zero to MEI for everything except food, including 115 hours of Twin time.

See their website or call/email for specifics. Want a longer reference? PM me.

Two full time instructors live here year round and are not going to the airlines (one of them has 10,000+ hours). Housing is new and 1 minute from the hangers. Excellent maintenance. Fly night, actual IMC--your choice (try that at FSI or ATP!) Honest people, good instruction--and no distractions in the middle of KS :) :)
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You can get night and actual IMC time at FSI and ATP, However that is a good deal. How do they pull that off with a twin commanche. It burns $100 an hour in fuel
 
I guess what I am getting at is that I would be nervous buying 100 hour block time in a business model that couldn't possibly be making money.
 
bLizZuE said:
I urge anyone that is looking for quality flight training to do simple research and form individual opinions from fact. Recognize. Advice given can be ripples from past experiences. FlightSafety currently has excellent student to instructor ratios and aircraft availability.

Please don't hesitate to call us: 800-800-1411
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What is the ratio now 1 to 1?
 
Re: multi , ifr rating in FSA--

dwe213 said:
Star-Bright Aviation has rates lower than anywhere else I've seen (I'm an MEI student here now):

$3700 Pt. 141 Private (includes checkride, books, HOUSING, ground, flight instruction--everything you need except food)

$110.00 per hour TWIN time PA-30 100 hr. block (no safety pilots here--you get the full 100 hours, and than price includes an instructor & housing & fuel!)

<$40k for zero to MEI for everything except food, including 115 hours of Twin time.

See their website or call/email for specifics. Want a longer reference? PM me.

Two full time instructors live here year round and are not going to the airlines (one of them has 10,000+ hours). Housing is new and 1 minute from the hangers. Excellent maintenance. Fly night, actual IMC--your choice (try that at FSI or ATP!) Honest people, good instruction--and no distractions in the middle of KS :) :)
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Half of my total instrument time after training at FSA was Actual.....Vero Beach may be also called Zero Beach, but for sure I would rather train there than in KS, a beach city it s always a beach city.
 
$100? hour fuel burn for a PA-30 at K88? Nope...

Nope...$3.65 per gal x 16--18 gal per hr. = $66./hr. for fuel
 
The only way you're getting 16 gallons an hour in reality out of a PA-30 is if you are leaned to death at altitude in cruise. In a training environment that isn't gonna happen. I was using a higher fuel rate ($5.00) so i would have been a little off there, at 20 gallons an hour, and that is even a low ball burn rate considering that in training you have the mixture rich for most of the maneuvers, but even $70 an hour in fuel doesn't even begin to leave enough to pay an instructor, give you the free housing you mentioned, rent an office space, pay for a tie down, contribute to an engine overhaul (much less two), pay for a 100 hour, incindental maintenece, or any other costs I may have missed. This also assumes they have no insurance and own the plane outright. It just doesn't seem possible, especially when it is 2 instructors wanting you to buy 100 hours of block time ahead of the game.

Don't get me wrong they are obviously doing it, so it must work for now, but something will have to give eventually. I just don't get it.
 
I just went and looked at the website and they charge $240 and hour wet with an instructor for the twin commanche, which sounds a lot more like what I charge for it. If they have the block time that cheap, props to you for taking advantage. No Hatred for you here. I would just be weary of giving any flight school that much up front. "Remember the Silver State" is a motto to live by.
 
Our actual fuel used in training varies from 16 to 18 gal per hour (roughly $58 to $66per hr.). How do I know? Because I've flown over 100 hours in our PA-30 and re-fueled it. Fuel has been $3.65/gal here at K88 for the whole summer.

For those who want to pay tens of thousands of dollars more to attend a fancy name school, this place is not for you. However, if you took the $80-100k it would take to go from zero to MEI at ATP or FSI (including housing, checkrides, ground/flight instructor, fuel, books, supplies, transportation--they even pick up up no charge at MCI!) and used that money at Star-Bright, you'd end up paying $40k max (and you would have 100+hours of twin time without a single hour of safety pilot time, and would have saved tens of thousands of dollars. Not a fancy name place, but big savings and great flight instruction. :beer:

Not a sustainable business model? Uninformed comment--given that this place has been expanding over the last year, and is now Pt. 141 approved.
 
dwe213 said:
Our actual fuel used in training varies from 16 to 18 gal per hour (roughly $58 to $66per hr.). How do I know? Because I've flown over 100 hours in our PA-30 and re-fueled it. Fuel has been $3.65/gal here at K88 for the whole summer.

For those who want to pay tens of thousands of dollars more to attend a fancy name school, this place is not for you. However, if you took the $80-100k it would take to go from zero to MEI at ATP or FSI (including housing, checkrides, ground/flight instructor, fuel, books, supplies, transportation--they even pick up up no charge at MCI!) and used that money at Star-Bright, you'd end up paying $40k max (and you would have 100+hours of twin time without a single hour of safety pilot time, and would have saved tens of thousands of dollars. Not a fancy name place, but big savings and great flight instruction. :beer:

Not a sustainable business model? Uninformed comment--given that this place has been expanding over the last year, and is now Pt. 141 approved.
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Touche, I yield... :beer:
 
29.92 writes that "they charge $240 per hour wet, with instructor." That may be the case if you walked in and wanted one hour, immediately, and refused the likely offer for something closer to $180-190/hr (what the twin rents for locally for day trips/flights).

I suggest you look at the current Star-Bright pricing posted on jet careers, in this section. There you will see $110.00 per hour, wet, including instructor (no safety pilot time) fro 100 hours of block time, wet, including instructor.

My package for instrument through MEI (including AGI, IGI), including housing, books, transportation (to get food locally, to and from MCI), fuel, checkride fees, wireless, instruction, ground instruction) cost about $32k, and that included over 110 twin hours.

Since the instructors live here year round, they aren't looking to build time to go anywhere. They simply love flying and are not doing this to get rich. That is how they can offer much lower prices that places like ATP & FSI that exist to maximize profits. :beer:
 
dwe213 said:
29.92 writes that "they charge $240 per hour wet, with instructor." That may be the case if you walked in and wanted one hour, immediately, and refused the likely offer for something closer to $180-190/hr (what the twin rents for locally for day trips/flights).

I suggest you look at the current Star-Bright pricing posted on jet careers, in this section. There you will see $110.00 per hour, wet, including instructor (no safety pilot time) fro 100 hours of block time, wet, including instructor.

My package for instrument through MEI (including AGI, IGI), including housing, books, transportation (to get food locally, to and from MCI), fuel, checkride fees, wireless, instruction, ground instruction) cost about $32k, and that included over 110 twin hours.

Since the instructors live here year round, they aren't looking to build time to go anywhere. They simply love flying and are not doing this to get rich. That is how they can offer much lower prices that places like ATP & FSI that exist to maximize profits. :beer:
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I saw the post and kept reading. It looks like a good deal. Thats why I gave in... The 10 hour block time isn't bad either. More power to ya. I really wasn't trying to pick a fight.
 
29.92, I appreciate your graciousness :beer: I simply feel fortunate to have found this place. When I see discussions about multi training at $250-$300+/hr, without housing (or complaints about crappy housing and a commute to the airport), etc, I want to tell others about this place. I even left for 6 months last Fall/winter to get divorced :p , and when I returned "my room" was still there, filled with all my piloting stuff. Honest folks, good instruction, zero night life :panic:
 
dwe213 said:
Our actual fuel used in training varies from 16 to 18 gal per hour (roughly $58 to $66per hr.). How do I know? Because I've flown over 100 hours in our PA-30 and re-fueled it. Fuel has been $3.65/gal here at K88 for the whole summer.

For those who want to pay tens of thousands of dollars more to attend a fancy name school, this place is not for you. However, if you took the $80-100k it would take to go from zero to MEI at ATP or FSI (including housing, checkrides, ground/flight instructor, fuel, books, supplies, transportation--they even pick up up no charge at MCI!) and used that money at Star-Bright, you'd end up paying $40k max (and you would have 100+hours of twin time without a single hour of safety pilot time, and would have saved tens of thousands of dollars. Not a fancy name place, but big savings and great flight instruction. :beer:

Not a sustainable business model? Uninformed comment--given that this place has been expanding over the last year, and is now Pt. 141 approved.
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First off DWE213, it appears you are cruising others schools forums trying to drum up business. Second, I will take a CIME student out of a well known school with a great (not fancy) name like FlightSafety any day over a CIME student out of an un-known school like Starbright.

You guys may have decent instruction there as well, but FlightSafety has earned their name in the industry. Corporations and Airlines pretty much know what they are getting when they they see FSA, Riddle, UND, etc on the resume. It can be hit and miss with alot of other schools.

Oh, here it comes......I can feel the flames already.... :)

For the record....I am not happy about the prices at FSA these days. I went through MEI for about $42,000 in 2001. They have added some new equipment, sims etc and those great resources do cost money. Even in todays economy, I would pay $60,000 to go through FSA's program. The training is some of the best I have seen...

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