Multi-Engine Instruction - NJ

Airdale

Airdale

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I was wondering where can I find flight schools advertising for flight instructors in New Jersey? Can't seem to find a website where job listings for CFI's are. I'm searching specifically for a MEI spot. I'll be done with CFI school soon and have flown mostly all twins with ATP. Kind of would like to stay with the Seminole or a comparable twin. Thanks
 
UND_Flyer said:
I think AOPA Classifieds is the best site! Check it out! I'm sure you can find a few flight schools from NJ looking for instructors. Are you going to apply at ATP?

http://www.aopa.org/insearchof/schools/schoolview.cfm
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I really want to work for ATP. I think the school is great, the airplanes are awesome and I love the Seminole. BUT, I have obligations in NJ and I can't be out of state for more than a month or so this upcoming year. I'm still going to talk to ATP when I get out of CFI school to see if I can work something out where they can call me when a position opens up at TTN, but right now I'm just trying to see what my options are as an MEI. I really don't want to instruct in 152's and 172's. Not after flying the Seminole :)
 
Airdale said:
I really want to work for ATP. I think the school is great, the airplanes are awesome and I love the Seminole. BUT, I have obligations in NJ and I can't be out of state for more than a month or so this upcoming year. I'm still going to talk to ATP when I get out of CFI school to see if I can work something out where they can call me when a position opens up at TTN, but right now I'm just trying to see what my options are as an MEI. I really don't want to instruct in 152's and 172's. Not after flying the Seminole :)
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I think if you want to be solely an MEI you're probably gonna have to stick with ATP. There aren't too many jobs out there flight instructing devoted solely to multi-engine training, and what few there are outside of ATP are going to be highly sought after by every flight instructor looking for multi time (wmany applicants will likely have a lot more experience than you). If you're limited to NJ I think you're going to have to take a CFI job flying singles or else get very lucky. Hope you find what you want, but I recommend keeping your options very open at the moment and get your first flying job. As far as a place to look, climbto350.com has had many CFIing jobs listed lately. Good Luck!
 
Airdale said:
I really don't want to instruct in 152's and 172's. Not after flying the Seminole :)
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Would you like some cheese with that whine? Jeez...

No offense but outside of the "ATP World" not many schools exist that just instruct in twins. In fact, you'd be lucky to find a school that has a twin...

I worked for 13 months as a CFI before I got any appreciable time in a twin.
 
One thing to add and something to think about... something I learned from personal experience. My first CFI job I started MEIing day number 2. Looking back, I question the safety of having a low time CFI flying a multi. Honestly, it's easy enough getting behind a student in a fixed gear single when you first start... let alone a multi. I wasn't a super low time multi engine pilot when I started instructing... I had over 100 hours multi, but looking back, I think it would've been smarter and safer for me to have had a minimum of 100 hours of single engine instructor time prior to hopping into the multi. What you don't understand until you experience flight instructing is that, just because you're comfortable flying the airplane yourself, does not mean you're comfortable instructing in it.
 
Airdale said:
I'm still going to talk to ATP when I get out of CFI school to see if I can work something out where they can call me when a position opens up at TTN, but right now I'm just trying to see what my options are as an MEI. I really don't want to instruct in 152's and 172's. Not after flying the Seminole :)
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Yeah, I don't think you can do that. You would have to stay and work in JAX and wait for TTN to open up. How's Trey doing?
 
UND_Flyer said:
How's Trey doing?
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I'm going to HIJACK for a moment, Trey is a cool guy; he's doing good. I didn't get to fly with him but did a sim and hung out reviewing stuff on the rainy days. " /HIJACK "
 
wheelsup said:
Would you like some cheese with that whine? Jeez...

No offense but outside of the "ATP World" not many schools exist that just instruct in twins. In fact, you'd be lucky to find a school that has a twin...

I worked for 13 months as a CFI before I got any appreciable time in a twin.
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No thanks, just had some pizza.
As for instructing in a twin, yeah I'd rather do that than a single. Why? Nothing more than I feel more comfortable in a twin and I've got more time in a twin than I do in a single thanks to ATP. Considering all of my x/c time has been right seat in the twin, I feel right at home. Additionally, just about anybody looking to train in a twin already has a private ticket and more than likely is looking for add-ons. ATP has no problem taking a CFI right out of a 14 day CFI class and throwing them at a location doing multi-add ons, commercial multi-add ons and so forth. I think it would be fun to teach *new* pilots, but I think it'd be safer to teach *add-ons*.

My career intentions - like many I would like to become a professional pilot. I'm not tied down to NJ forever, just for the next year because I have wedding plans in progress and a house we're working on. Btw I'm 25.

Will I take a CFI job flying singles in NJ? Absolutely. I've gotta get a job somewhere, and if working for ATP doesn't fit within what I need the next year, then I have no problem heading to a local flight school and flying 172's. But if I can have my cake and eat it too, then of course I will. :) So you bet I'll be on the look out for an MEI job in NJ. Maybe with some luck, I'll find one. As far as competition for an MEI job, since most flight schools don't have twins as you say, than I guess I'd be a good candidate for an MEI position having been training in a twin from right after my private right on through my MEI. And everyone knows ATP's reputation and multi-engine training approach. I'll have nearly 190hrs multi-time for half the cost that most flight schools/academies charge for the same ratings in a single.

Trey seems to be doing good. I haven't been in TTN much, been on x/c's. Matt Marconi was my instructor at Trenton though. He has since moved on to Xjet. If I had to rate my training experience at TTN with Matt and Trey there, I'd rate it *top notch*. I really like ATP, so I'm going to see what things look like in a few weeks. If I have to work in Jax or some other east coast location for a month or two, I have no problem with that. Just need to be in NJ as soon as possible.

Thanks for the website links, thats what I was looking for. You can find jobs for any profession you could think of, but CFI positions have been tough to come by on the net.
 
MEI jobs are tough to come by, no matter what state you are in (I did ALL my training out of BLM). In order for me to instruct in my schools Seneca, I needed to get my own insurance through NAFI. You won't meet the time requirements to instruct that insurance companies set forth. Furthermore, you won't get that many students to get their multi at a local 61 type place. The school that I was in got one a month IF that. You'll need to instruct in a single, can't get around that.

The time you have doing 'time-building' cross countries in the right seat is a lot different than doing VMC demos. Be careful out there! You can't say teaching 'add-ons' pilots is as safer than 'new' pilots.
 
Airdale said:
As far as competition for an MEI job, since most flight schools don't have twins as you say, than I guess I'd be a good candidate for an MEI position having been training in a twin from right after my private right on through my MEI. And everyone knows ATP's reputation and multi-engine training approach.
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Just an FYI, it's hard to land an MEI job if the school does not have a twin. Instructors out of Teterboro, where I was working, rented a private twin from Morristown for time building. Insurance is killing flight schools off left and right. Also, as Seggy pointed out, in the real world out there, there are very minimal students that want to fly a twin. Your best bet is to get on at a "career" type school such as ATP.

http://www.wagnerairways.com/

Wagner is trying to break into the time building business, however they didn't have the *best* reputation while I was up there (with students or instructors). They may have gotten better.

As a side note - we had an ATP grad/instructor come to our school. He came in with ~1000TT and 500 multi. He later killed himself and three others in the plane when he put a 172 into the ground while working at my school's Linden location:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20050526X00678&key=1

Keep on your toes...I know what you mean by being comfortable. I instructed in BE-58's and had students turn the wrong engine off w/ the mags, step on the wrong rudder, etc. etc. and honestly, never got "comfortable" with commercially rated pilots stepping into a twin...

Good luck :)

~wheelsup

http://www.wagnerairways.com/
 
Okay, having done about twenty hours of "primary" training before coming back to ATP I can tell you that it's no more "safer" and is sometimes more frustrating. I'm doing multi add-on guys and the worst thing is dealing with bad habit they've learned from flying on their own for a long time. Secondly, I only have 8 hours with these guys to get them proficient and I constantly find myself retraining them on holding and general instrument procedures. Our examiner even mentioned that to me.

Airdale, instructing in singles isn't that bad, and you'll be more comfortable in them in no time, but while you become more comfortable in them you'll become less comfortable in the Seminole (or other twin). If you can at all swing it, do your "time" in JAX and then go to TTN. I'm in Washington right now and it's starting to pick up (the flying was pretty slow-going for a while).

I'm 25 as well, however, I don't have the committments you do. I hope it all works out for ya.
 
Thanks for the comments guys. I know its a shot in the dark to land an MEI job, but its always worth a try. I'm not a flight instructor yet, so I don't really have the place to say whether certain students are "safer" than others. I was just assuming that add-ons would be better, but I can see how private pilots can be just as fun too.

Like I said, I don't have a problem instructing in singles. I guess I'm just a little nervous about becoming a flight instructor. I'm confident in my abilities as a pilot, especial in an airplane I'm comfortable in. Flight instructing has me nervous because letting someone else fly the plane has my nerves on edge. I think its going to be fun, but at the same time I think its going to cause me to go gray sooner. You read alot about aviation accidents and most of it is in the smaller general aviation sector. I just can't wait to fly better equipment in air carrier operations. I assume as I progress through CFI school and get a few students under my belt my confidence will go up.
 
Airdale said:
Thanks for the comments guys. I know its a shot in the dark to land an MEI job, but its always worth a try. I'm not a flight instructor yet, so I don't really have the place to say whether certain students are "safer" than others. I was just assuming that add-ons would be better, but I can see how private pilots can be just as fun too.

Like I said, I don't have a problem instructing in singles. I guess I'm just a little nervous about becoming a flight instructor. I'm confident in my abilities as a pilot, especial in an airplane I'm comfortable in. Flight instructing has me nervous because letting someone else fly the plane has my nerves on edge. I think its going to be fun, but at the same time I think its going to cause me to go gray sooner. You read alot about aviation accidents and most of it is in the smaller general aviation sector. I just can't wait to fly better equipment in air carrier operations. I assume as I progress through CFI school and get a few students under my belt my confidence will go up.
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Your confidence will grow A LOT as a CFI. TRUST ME. You can tell when you fly with a captain who has instructed versuses one who hasn't. As you say air carrier operations is a ton of fun, but all in due time.
 
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Airdale said:
I really want to work for ATP. I think the school is great, the airplanes are awesome and I love the Seminole. BUT, I have obligations in NJ and I can't be out of state for more than a month or so this upcoming year. I'm still going to talk to ATP when I get out of CFI school to see if I can work something out where they can call me when a position opens up at TTN, but right now I'm just trying to see what my options are as an MEI. I really don't want to instruct in 152's and 172's. Not after flying the Seminole :)
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I know how you feel man! I've been instructing in 152's and 172's since leaving ATP last January, but now I'm heading to the west coast, so I'll be back in the seminole again. ATP should be able to work something out if you wish. They are indeed a good school.

Depending on where in NJ you want to go, there are a couple of schools in MMU that have twins. Sky Blue Aviation Academy is one, and Certified Flyers is another. Sky Blue uses 172SP's for their single training, and Certified Flyers uses the Cirrus.
 
Try this one!

Whuzzup! I tried to get on with a school in Princeton. The owners of the school own the WHOLE AIRPORT!! They have a laid-back atmosphere and you can wear jeans if you like. Also, they have a SEMINOLE, and a base salary as well. I would have taken a job, but Sundays off would have been a problem for me because I go to church, and they prefer that their instructors(at least full time) work the weekends. Anyway, here's the link, maybe it could turn into something for you :-)

http://www.princetonairport.com/flight_instructors_wanted.htm

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