Multi commercial initial, cross crediting of requirements

J777Fly

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For the multi commercial, after general experience requirements, 61.129 states:


(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least --
(i) 10 hours of instrument training of which at least 5 hours must be in a multiengine airplane;
(ii) 10 hours of training in a multiengine airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and controllable pitch propellers, or is turbine-powered, or for an applicant seeking a multiengine seaplane rating, 10 hours of training in a multiengine seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch propeller;
(iii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a multiengine airplane in day VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
(iv) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a multiengine airplane in night VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(v) 3 hours in a multiengine airplane in preparation for the practical test within the 60-day period preceding the date of the test.
(4) 10 hours of solo flight time in a multiengine airplane or 10 hours of flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a multiengine airplane with an authorized instructor (either of which may be credited towards the flight time requirement in paragraph (b)(2) of this section), on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least --
(i) One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles total distance with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which is a straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the original departure point. However, if this requirement is being met in Hawaii, the longest segment need only have a straight-line distance of at least 150 nautical miles; and (ii) 5 hours in night VFR conditions with 10 takeoffs and 10 landings (with each landing involving a flight with a traffic pattern) at an airport with an operating control tower.

Does anyone know if you can;

Include your day and night VFR 100 nm flights and your 3 hours flight test prep in the 10 hours of Training (61.129; 3, ii)?

Include your 5 hrs night VFR (10 TO/L) with your 300 nm x/c as part of your 10 hours solo flight time (61.129; 4)?

Or do you have to do each segment of training on its on? In other words, they cannot be cross credited.

:confused:
 
Re: Multi commercial initial, cross crediting of requirement

For the multi commercial, after general experience requirements, 61.129 states:


(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least --
(i) 10 hours of instrument training of which at least 5 hours must be in a multiengine airplane;
(ii) 10 hours of training in a multiengine airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and controllable pitch propellers, or is turbine-powered, or for an applicant seeking a multiengine seaplane rating, 10 hours of training in a multiengine seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch propeller;
(iii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a multiengine airplane in day VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
(iv) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a multiengine airplane in night VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(v) 3 hours in a multiengine airplane in preparation for the practical test within the 60-day period preceding the date of the test.
(4) 10 hours of solo flight time in a multiengine airplane or 10 hours of flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a multiengine airplane with an authorized instructor (either of which may be credited towards the flight time requirement in paragraph (b)(2) of this section), on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least --
(i) One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles total distance with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which is a straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the original departure point. However, if this requirement is being met in Hawaii, the longest segment need only have a straight-line distance of at least 150 nautical miles; and (ii) 5 hours in night VFR conditions with 10 takeoffs and 10 landings (with each landing involving a flight with a traffic pattern) at an airport with an operating control tower.

Does anyone know if you can;

Include your day and night VFR 100 nm flights and your 3 hours flight test prep in the 10 hours of Training (61.129; 3, ii)?

Include your 5 hrs night VFR (10 TO/L) with your 300 nm x/c as part of your 10 hours solo flight time (61.129; 4)?

Or do you have to do each segment of training on its on? In other words, they cannot be cross credited.

:confused:

Yep, it's fine. You can check more than one requirement off per flight.
 
Re: Multi commercial initial, cross crediting of requirement

Thanks for clarifying that. Based on what the regs were saying, it seems like you would end up doing about 25 hours training, just for your CPL initial, ontop of your initial private multi training!!

By completing multiple requirements on one flight will save atleast 10 hours.
 
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