Mountain State Program
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usphsfnp
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What accreditation did they lose?
>>CHARLESTON, W.Va. — The state nursing board plans to review Mountain State University's accreditation after the school lost four nursing faculty members. The West Virginia Board of Examiners for Registered Professional Nurses had placed Mountain State's nursing program on provisional accreditation in November 2010. The board said at the time that Mountain State officials were required to maintain, at a minimum, the current number of full-time faculty and staff to correct deficiencies, which included a lack of strong leadership.<<
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/e9dc56bf393a4961bdd1f01169a89e58/WV--Mountain-St-Nursing/
>>CHARLESTON, W.Va. — The state nursing board plans to review Mountain State University's accreditation after the school lost four nursing faculty members. The West Virginia Board of Examiners for Registered Professional Nurses had placed Mountain State's nursing program on provisional accreditation in November 2010. The board said at the time that Mountain State officials were required to maintain, at a minimum, the current number of full-time faculty and staff to correct deficiencies, which included a lack of strong leadership.<<
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/e9dc56bf393a4961bdd1f01169a89e58/WV--Mountain-St-Nursing/
snOOp
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Hey JHUGZ I believe only the nursing program's accreditation is being lost. The Aviation accreditation has nothing to do with Nursing, so I believe there is no problem.
Universities make mistakes, I know of a college that lost its journal accreditation and got back on its feet.
Aren't you attending MSU online?
Seems like a decent program with some thought out classes in it. (like 40 AVIA credits, some Aviation core, and Business Leadership/Management/general education courses.)
Universities make mistakes, I know of a college that lost its journal accreditation and got back on its feet.
Aren't you attending MSU online?
Seems like a decent program with some thought out classes in it. (like 40 AVIA credits, some Aviation core, and Business Leadership/Management/general education courses.)
Inverted25
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Does Mountain State have a physical campus or is it all online?
purpel
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The Nursing program is under review, which has caused the whole school to be under review. Your post makes it sound like this all said and done, which is hardly the truth.
I called the school up personally when this information was made public almost a year ago and spoke with their lawyer. First of all the school has not lost accreditation. The nursing program was not up to standards, so this has bought the whole school under an accreditation review. More than likely the school will pass accreditation. Second of all I am in the Aviation Program and will tell that any of the classes I have taken are accredited classes because the school hasn't lost accreditation. So let's throw a worst cast scenario. The scenario is that the school loses accreditation , so all the classes that were taken while the school had accreditation are transferable credits, but as you know and I know degrees have different course requirements, so you might not have status you did have at MSU but at least your credits are accredited. Obviously this would be really bad if they lost accreditation because the degrees we are working towards would come to a halt.
Jhugz I was just curious though did you go to UVU or MSU? I had a couple questions for some upcoming classes if you took your classes at MSU. If you have the time PM me plz.
That's my two cents.
Yo yo you guys this was sent using my um.... board with letters on it.
Matt13C
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How does that impact ATP? Aren't they partnered with them?
OUTTIE
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wow what a waste of time and $$$ going there. That really sucks. I remember ATP had them on the site and now it disappeared like litterally it doesn't exists.
Good news? is I have a friend went to ASU and said they partnered with ATP. I saw somewhere that ATP planes were in ASU colors..
Good news? is I have a friend went to ASU and said they partnered with ATP. I saw somewhere that ATP planes were in ASU colors..
ozziecat35
4 out of 5 great lakes prefer Michigan.
I'm currently at MSU and while what jhugz is saying is true, it's not 100% accurate. I'm using MSU and ATP and not paying a cent out of pocket since I'm a veteran using the Post 9-11 GI Bill. The guy running the Aviation Department will go out of his way to make sure your questions are all answered, and my contact at ATP's headquarters is fully aware of the situation and I've been in constant contact with him as well.
Now, that being said. MSU submitted a teach out plan that was to go through the end of next spring. The HLC only approved it through Dec. 31st. It was just confirmed that the Aviation teach out plan goes through spring. Everything in the fall semester is being done by MSU, and everything in the spring is being done by WVUIT (West. Va Univ. Institute of Technology). It also sounds like at this time WVUIT plans on submitting for approval plans to pick up this program on their own. I've been told ATP is in on the talks as well.
I'm neck deep in everything that's been going on, so if you'd like to PM me or ask a question, I've kept a running thread in the FBO / GI Bill section.
(Just passed my Multi Engine Add-on with ATP last Saturday, 2 hr day/2 hr night cross country tonight!)
Now, that being said. MSU submitted a teach out plan that was to go through the end of next spring. The HLC only approved it through Dec. 31st. It was just confirmed that the Aviation teach out plan goes through spring. Everything in the fall semester is being done by MSU, and everything in the spring is being done by WVUIT (West. Va Univ. Institute of Technology). It also sounds like at this time WVUIT plans on submitting for approval plans to pick up this program on their own. I've been told ATP is in on the talks as well.
I'm neck deep in everything that's been going on, so if you'd like to PM me or ask a question, I've kept a running thread in the FBO / GI Bill section.
(Just passed my Multi Engine Add-on with ATP last Saturday, 2 hr day/2 hr night cross country tonight!)
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
So the United States Federal Government, and the taxpayer, are getting ripped off instead. Check.
Change of management in this form would likely have a bearing on credits earned, wouldn't it?
jhugz
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ozziecat35 be very very careful the KoolAid you drink from Robbins my friend. He's a nice enough guy but will be waving the flag while the ship sinks to the bottom. He tells you what you want to hear, ie "This has nothing to do with the aviation program, just the nursing." "Don't worry we will be this. " etc etc etc. just looking out.
purpel
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jhugz
I transferred to another school and am starting my degree in something different.
In the end it will be for the best for me
Ozziecat I also say do not drink the kool aid and put all your eggs in one basket.
MSU is taking so many shortcuts now it is joke, like the agreement with Everglades ( crap school). After the accreditation issue I will not touch anything they put out with a ten foot pole like Jhugz said.
I am going to restart my degree with the gen education credits I have and start over.
I transferred to another school and am starting my degree in something different.
In the end it will be for the best for me
Ozziecat I also say do not drink the kool aid and put all your eggs in one basket.
MSU is taking so many shortcuts now it is joke, like the agreement with Everglades ( crap school). After the accreditation issue I will not touch anything they put out with a ten foot pole like Jhugz said.
I am going to restart my degree with the gen education credits I have and start over.
jhugz
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Good call.
ozziecat35
4 out of 5 great lakes prefer Michigan.
& purpel, all sound advice and I appreciate the help. That being said, not one time has Dave said anything remotely like that and since I have the VA paying for it, it's a little bit different of a situation for me then a guy dropping his own $$$ for it. MSU has coordinated with ATP, so this whole summer semester was organized in a way where all I have are flight labs. With the extension through Spring, I should be able to finish all my flight labs. I think this is that situation where people say YMMV is true.
ozziecat35
4 out of 5 great lakes prefer Michigan.
To point A, while I love sarcastic remarks as much as the next guy, all your tax dollars have gone to actual flight labs, except for two classes, an Aviation Law and an English class.
To point B, since I will most likely not graduate until Spring, my degree will be from WVUIT, with everything I've done at MSU carrying over (per the agreement).
purpel
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But remember they have stated many times now that there is no agreement for people graduating after Spring 2013. Now they have stated that there is something in the mix, but how can you know that will not fall through. WVUIT has not come up with anything yet, so there is not way that one can know what will happen. I am happy that you are going to finish your flight labs, but know that if WVUIT falls through, you could of spent that time to go to transfer to another college.
Your statement saying you will continue onto to WVUIT at this points is incorrect, because WVUIT might not come up with anything.
I am tired of playing with fire at this point with MSU. They say go away then say come back, do you really want to get a degree from these con artists. If something does come of it the WVUIT degree will be a joke and probably later that program will lose accreditation.
From a fellow MSU'er, good luck.
They gave this email yesterday
Yesterday Mountain State University received conditional approval from the Higher Learning Commission for a teach-out plan that names the West Virginia University Institute of Technology (WVU Tech) as the official teach-out institution for the aviation program. MSU and WVU Tech are collaborating on a teach-out plan for both ATP and Aviation students. Under the terms of the teach-out agreement existing MSU ATP and aviation students have until the end of the fall 2012 semester to graduate from MSU. MSU ATP and aviation students will have until the end of the spring 2012-2013 semester to graduate from WVU Tech while remaining under the current MSU curriculum. For those students that cannot graduate by spring of 2013, WVU Tech is developing an aviation degree that may be much like the MSU degree. We expect it will incorporate many of the same aviation courses and instructors; however it will be a WVU Tech degree, not the MSU degree. There will be differences, including differences in the general education requirements. The degree is yet to be developed, so it is premature to speculate on the exact curriculum but it will be available on-line.
If you have decided to move on to a different college, we completely understand. If you have not found a school that meets your needs, or simply want to stick with us, this is your chance. At this point we cannot guarantee the WVU Tech program will be what you want or need, but early indications are it will be similar to the MSU aviation degrees and will meet the needs of many of the MSU students.
ozziecat35
4 out of 5 great lakes prefer Michigan.
That's a legitimate question.
To the "why don't you go to another college question." Again, my situation (just like anyone's I'm sure) is unique. I have a great non-flying job that is super stable and well paying and supports my family. That being said, we're climbing out of massive debt right now, so I don't have the disposable income to throw at flight training willy-nilly. I'm a Veteran eligible for the Post 9-11 GI Bill, so this program was the ONLY program in the US in that worked for my situation. And before anyone says "oh I'm sure it's not the ONLY program..." bull-poo. I'm stationary, with a family, and require an online program due to commitments. The setup with ATP works because ATP has a location in Chicago about 40 minutes drive.
As far as what about WVUIT? I'm an optimist I guess. I can't fathom why they wouldn't pick up the program, and why ATP wouldn't connect with them as well. It's easy money for both of them if you look at it from a GI Bill point of view. I mean look at all these guys with money they've earned through their service ready to go...Win-Win.
As far as me continuing with WVUIT, I am correct. WVUIT is continuing the MSU Teach-Out through Spring of next year...so at that point if I decide to stick with the AS Program, and I graduate next spring, my degree will be from WVUIT. Plus WVUIT is a public school from what I understand, so that actually opens up a lot more money rather then the $25,500 cap a year I'm working with with MSU (Private School).
Finally, let's take your worst case scenario. WVUIT doesn't follow through, and there's nothing after Spring. I've completed my flight labs on Uncle Sam's dime since it was a degree program and covered by Post 9-11 GI Bill. Now, I'm not stuck with "having" to get an Aviation degree which we all know so much about, and instead, I use the rest of my GI Bill funds and go get my Computer Science degree from a local college or different online school...