tonyw
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"They were cleared," said Dave Adams, Federal Air Marshal Service spokesman. "They did not commit any criminal or terrorist acts."
Not a Dry Run
Not a Dry Run
More on the 14 Syrians
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Yeah, these were a bunch of girl scouts after all. Most were in the country on expired visas. And one of their top hits is a song reassuring the mothers of suicide bombers that their sons die for a good cause. I like them now, personally.
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Yeah, these were a bunch of girl scouts after all. Most were in the country on expired visas. And one of their top hits is a song reassuring the mothers of suicide bombers that their sons die for a good cause. I like them now, personally.
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Sources please?
TheShortOne
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If they were on expired visa's, then why did the FBI let them leave and go play their show? Why didn't they deport them immediatly? Everything in life is not sunshine and rainbows (as much as i'd like it to be) and just because they write some song lyrics doesn't make them terrorists any more than it makes Marilyn Manson a rapist or murderer, or any other pissed off musican. Don't you think that the fed's went through their stuff and found the music? If it was of any concern i'm sure they wouldn't have let them go on to play the show.
tonyw
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What's it going to take to get you to say that Jacobsen gave in to hysteria and flamed the fans of it all over the web?
Dave, the air marshalls said they did nothing wrong. They said there was no dry run. These people were questioned, and let go.
With our government saying that it can ship citizens on down to a military brig, hold them indefinitely, and not ever give them a trial and so on, don't you think that if these people were a threat they'd have been locked up?
Oh, yeah, the expired visas?
Queries to the public affairs office at the U.S. Department of State verify this. "The visa provides admission to the country and nothing more," a staff member explains. "The expiration of the visa itself is totally irrelevant."
"Annie Jacobsen is entitled to her own interpretations," says David Adams, lightly emphasizing that last word in a manner that suggests we read between the lines. "While the 19 original hijackers are known to have conducted test runs, there is no specific intelligence that terrorists are conducting test flights or surveillance activities on U.S. airliners. Period."
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Dave, the air marshalls said they did nothing wrong. They said there was no dry run. These people were questioned, and let go.
With our government saying that it can ship citizens on down to a military brig, hold them indefinitely, and not ever give them a trial and so on, don't you think that if these people were a threat they'd have been locked up?
Oh, yeah, the expired visas?
Queries to the public affairs office at the U.S. Department of State verify this. "The visa provides admission to the country and nothing more," a staff member explains. "The expiration of the visa itself is totally irrelevant."
"Annie Jacobsen is entitled to her own interpretations," says David Adams, lightly emphasizing that last word in a manner that suggests we read between the lines. "While the 19 original hijackers are known to have conducted test runs, there is no specific intelligence that terrorists are conducting test flights or surveillance activities on U.S. airliners. Period."
Ask the Pilot
flyover
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Sources please?
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Can't give you a specific one right now. There have been a number of articles on this incident. Some journalists have researched the band and had their lyrics translated. They have an album. That's where the one about the martyr's song came from. The leader is supposedly widely considered to be the "Syrian Wayne Newton". Again, read it on line from links to newspapers, it's been a while back.
I didn't know there was any controversy over whether or not these guys were terrorists. I thought it was pretty clear they had been cleared and sent on their way right after the incident. The idea now is that they were just giving "musician signals". Fine. As I said in my earlier posts I've had problems with all kinds of groups. I still think these guys got cute and were probably aware that they were causing concern. Kind of like the guy with the t-shirt on American.
It's all speculation. I don't know if they were acting suspicously or stupidly or just had really active bladders, anymore than TonyW does. I'm betting they asked for this to some extent and the artcle does nothing to diminish that.
Sources please?
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Can't give you a specific one right now. There have been a number of articles on this incident. Some journalists have researched the band and had their lyrics translated. They have an album. That's where the one about the martyr's song came from. The leader is supposedly widely considered to be the "Syrian Wayne Newton". Again, read it on line from links to newspapers, it's been a while back.
I didn't know there was any controversy over whether or not these guys were terrorists. I thought it was pretty clear they had been cleared and sent on their way right after the incident. The idea now is that they were just giving "musician signals". Fine. As I said in my earlier posts I've had problems with all kinds of groups. I still think these guys got cute and were probably aware that they were causing concern. Kind of like the guy with the t-shirt on American.
It's all speculation. I don't know if they were acting suspicously or stupidly or just had really active bladders, anymore than TonyW does. I'm betting they asked for this to some extent and the artcle does nothing to diminish that.
sopdan
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This has been covered on Snopes, which includes information on why the expired visas don't really mean much.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/skyterror.asp
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Once the foreign traveler is in the U.S., the expiry date of his visa becomes unimportant — all that matters is the exit date listed on that person's I-94, a card he carries with his passport while in the U.S. While it is true that an expired visa cannot be used to re-enter the U.S. (its holder must reapply or seek an extension), there is nothing wrong in and of itself with being in the U.S. past the expiry date listed on one's visa.
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/skyterror.asp
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Once the foreign traveler is in the U.S., the expiry date of his visa becomes unimportant — all that matters is the exit date listed on that person's I-94, a card he carries with his passport while in the U.S. While it is true that an expired visa cannot be used to re-enter the U.S. (its holder must reapply or seek an extension), there is nothing wrong in and of itself with being in the U.S. past the expiry date listed on one's visa.
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Time Magazine Article:
Time article from a FAM.......
Just a quick quote:
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"Nothing my main partner or I saw on Flight 327 brought us anywhere near a conclusion that we considered breaking our cover or deploying as we've been trained. And we never came close to drawing our weapons."
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Time article from a FAM.......
Just a quick quote:
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"Nothing my main partner or I saw on Flight 327 brought us anywhere near a conclusion that we considered breaking our cover or deploying as we've been trained. And we never came close to drawing our weapons."
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flyover
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Here's the best article I've seen on the subject. It's another first person account, this time a FAM onboard the flight. It looks like his account comes down in the middle, keeping in mind that what he watched from First Class where his attention is supposed to be directed, would be different from observations in the back.
The article says it was "standard procedure" to contact authorities and have authorities waiting to meet the flight. ?????? The FAM is the one who requested the flight be met. I don't quite get that. I had passengers come to me and express concern about passengers who "looked Middle-eastern". You handle that passenger, not the "suspects". If the activity was normal, why communicate with the captain and have authorities alerted?
Anyway I expect that this is the wrap-up of the government's postion. And enough for me. I'm sure this guy was authorized to do the interview.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,676558,00.html
The article says it was "standard procedure" to contact authorities and have authorities waiting to meet the flight. ?????? The FAM is the one who requested the flight be met. I don't quite get that. I had passengers come to me and express concern about passengers who "looked Middle-eastern". You handle that passenger, not the "suspects". If the activity was normal, why communicate with the captain and have authorities alerted?
Anyway I expect that this is the wrap-up of the government's postion. And enough for me. I'm sure this guy was authorized to do the interview.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,676558,00.html