Missed Approaches & Circling

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zachoe

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Wanted to clarify something. Take, for instance, the following approach:

http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/KDAN/IAP/VOR+RWY+02

Assume you're flying the VOR runway 2 approach, and then circle to runway 20. While on final you go missed. Following the missed approach procedure, do you:
a) climb to 2300 and turn RIGHT to DAN (exactly as the instructions state)
or
b) climb to 2300 and turn LEFT to DAN (i.e., since you're flying from the opposite end, would you reverse the direction of your turn?)

Hope my question makes sense.
 
In this case if you are already heading 200 and then lose the field, you would go direct to the VOR and hold while climbing to 2300...if you are circling, you would turn toward the field, then do the procedure as depicted... which is to climb to 2300 on the final approach course of 030 to 2300 then turn right to the VOR and hold.

Staying within 10 miles of the VOR of course...
 
I think I see what you are asking and we had this same example on a checkride in Madison, alabama with Mr. Clyde Shelton. Circle to land on the opposite runway with the missed approach and which way do you turn.

In the first example I say it depends on which way you circle to land, left or right. If you circle to land left and lose the airport turn towards the VOR direct and then enter the hold while climbing. Or, turn towards the protected area of the hold, there is a reason it is there and the turn for S-2 is to the protected side as well.

For the second approach straight in 23 with a circle to land Rwy 5 and lets assume that there are no parallel runways for simplicity. Straight in on 23, reach MDA, have the runway in sight, begin CTL procedure and lost the runway anywhere from the MDA to making the turn to final Rwy 5. In that situaztion turn left and intercept the course it specifies. The MA hold is north of the airport and that is where I would go. If you are on the downwind for the CTL I would initiate the climb to 1000 and then turn right and head to the hold. If I was turning to final and lost the airport, call the miss, climb to 1000 and if no instructions then left turn to the hold.

Hope this is what you were looking for.
 
I understand a fair few airline pilots have CIRC Restriction VMC Only or something similar on their certs - can a PPL have that too or is it only for 121/135 ops?

Alex.
 
ahw01 said:
I understand a fair few airline pilots have CIRC Restriction VMC Only or something similar on their certs - can a PPL have that too or is it only for 121/135 ops?

Alex.
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135 and 121 operators have Operations Specifications that are prepared by the company and approved by the FAA to become "the law."

Private pilots (and most other pilots operation in a Part 91 enviornment) have "personaL minimums."
 
zachoe said:
You're right. That was not the example I was looking for. My question was more for a missed approach procedure that has you fly to a fix that was not aligned with the runway.

http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/KRDU/IAP/ILS+OR+LOC+RWY+23R

Same question. Circling to 5L. After your climb, do you turn left to 030 or right to 030?
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The key to your answer is that operational and terrain clearance for the missed approach procedure is premised on beginnng the missed at the missed approach point.

With that information, you should be able to answer the question for this approach.
 
This might help too.

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1005/05006VGA.PDF

Let's say you fly over mid-field and are circling to runway 18. If you are on base and you go missed, which way would you turn? You wouldn't want to turn right, since that is turning you away from the field. It would be better to climb in a left turn and get back on the radial (MAP), then execute the missed as published. A good rule of thumb is to circle to the inside of the field, since you will be in the protected 1.2 (depending on class) and climb! That alone will help a lot. Going missed off a circle can be tricky though, a lot of people have hit towers or hills because of it.
 
zachoe said:
You're right. That was not the example I was looking for. My question was more for a missed approach procedure that has you fly to a fix that was not aligned with the runway.

http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/KRDU/IAP/ILS+OR+LOC+RWY+23R

Same question. Circling to 5L. After your climb, do you turn left to 030 or right to 030?
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If I were on the downwind or getting near a base turn while circling (left traffic), I would still circle into the field to take the benefit of the protected area. If you went right, especially if you were turning base when you went missed, could put you outside the protected area. If you don't have a gps and are on raw data, I would (in almost every case) turn into the field first to gain altitude in a climb. If you have good situational awareness off some fancy G1237.3, then you could turn away from the runway, but I think I would still turn in just out of habit. But as others have said, take a look at the chart for any dangerous obstacles in either direction, and have a plan of attack before the poop hits the fan. :)
 
zachoe said:
Wanted to clarify something. Take, for instance, the following approach:

http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/KDAN/IAP/VOR+RWY+02

Assume you're flying the VOR runway 2 approach, and then circle to runway 20. While on final you go missed. Following the missed approach procedure, do you:
a) climb to 2300 and turn RIGHT to DAN (exactly as the instructions state)
or
b) climb to 2300 and turn LEFT to DAN (i.e., since you're flying from the opposite end, would you reverse the direction of your turn?)

Hope my question makes sense.
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I'd turn left over the airport while climbing, get myself on the heading I was flying on the approach, climb to 2300, then turn right toward the VOR.

zachoe said:
You're right. That was not the example I was looking for. My question was more for a missed approach procedure that has you fly to a fix that was not aligned with the runway.

http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/KRDU/IAP/ILS+OR+LOC+RWY+23R

Same question. Circling to 5L. After your climb, do you turn left to 030 or right to 030?
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Same thing (pretty much). I'd turn right over the airport, get myself on the heading I was on while on the ILS, then at 1000 I'd turn right to follow the missed.

ahw01 said:
I understand a fair few airline pilots have CIRC Restriction VMC Only or something similar on their certs - can a PPL have that too or is it only for 121/135 ops?
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The government won't impose it on a PPL, no. But there's nothing to stop a PPL holder from deciding that they will not circle in less than VMC conditions.
 
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