tsquare
New Member
How does he hold dual citizenship? He was born here wasn't he? I didn't think you could obtain citizenship in another country if you were a citizen here first... unless you denounced your US first..
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How does he hold dual citizenship? He was born here wasn't he? I didn't think you could obtain citizenship in another country if you were a citizen here first... unless you denounced your US first..
z987k
Well-Known Member
Uh, no. Many people here hold dual citizenship. I'm pretty sure the only way you can't have it is if you are in the military.
Then so it should be. But, I have yet to see an Asian carrier who won't hire a US pilot. I have a few friends that work at TransPac, and they all tell me about the opportunity to work for one of thier "partners" after reaching an hour mark. I don't care if they get a CPL, and fly for the US airlines, but the offer should be extended both ways is all I'm saying.
Nick
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I say good for them for only hiring Mexican citizens. Maybe if this country only hired US citizens things would be a bit better for a lot of people.
What do you think about Canada and pilots? Same thing? I believe the requirement is, to work as a pilot in Canada as US citizen you have to prove that a Canadian pilot cannot perform that job. So, practically impossible. Good for Canada!
You can say that we are doing other places a favor, but maybe we're just being stupid.
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
Always a downer to see another old-skool airline bite the big one.
I haven't read the data but will they be back in some altered form?
Sidenote: Something tells me that U.S. bound legs will now be packed jammed for a while now.
I haven't read the data but will they be back in some altered form?
Sidenote: Something tells me that U.S. bound legs will now be packed jammed for a while now.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
If you're born on a military base in Germany, you're still born in the US, though.
z987k
Well-Known Member
Hmm, I don't get your point. You not in the military when you are born.
However if you wanted to get dual citizenship from a country you were born in, in that way, it'd be relatively easy depending on the country.
My former roomate was 1st gen born American. His parents are polish. He has dual citizenship because it makes it really easy to travel through the EU. He's been to Poland twice in his life.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
By federal law military bases in foreign countries are considered US soil for the purposes of determining citizenship by birth.
z987k
Well-Known Member
Yeah, but I couldn't figure out what he said had to do with my first post in which he quoted.
swisspilot
Well-Known Member
there are openings for pilots with type rating, or those kind of crews that can`t be found locally. In 2009 I was in South east Asia and most companies would only hire FOs that were citizens. The govt wants the airlines to find the crew locally, if they can`t then they can get foreign pilots. Even small charters have to follow this rule, but I have seen foreign pilots flying on a tourist visa without the local license, I`m guessing the company pays the inspectors.
The US are really open, about 99% of the working opportunity that you have there as a foreign are not extended both ways. It`s a shame
tsquare
New Member
Yes they do, but usually if their first country was some other than this one. I am almost positive that you cannot go to Ireland or Italy, or... and become a citizen and still hold a valid US passport. Too bad it doesn't work the other way around.
Oh, and there are many foreign nationals in the military that hold dual citizenship. Hence the category Secret NoForn.
z987k
Well-Known Member
Each country is different, but those two countries being in the EU, I am almost 100% positive you can get dual in the US and Ireland or Italy. You just have to meet the requirements of the other country should you not have been born there or however they do it. Like I said, my old roommate who was born in the US and never saw Poland until he was 13 for a week and was back once since for about a month has Dual Citizenship. In his case, his parents are citizens, so he can be dual, as they are as well.
In fact if you want to do it somewhere (in Europe) it's surprisingly simple.
Patrick
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Simple IF you have family across the pond.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
If it were simple to get dual EU and US citizenship, I'd have already done it.....
On the military base thing, what Spira and I are trying to say is if you're born on a military base (which being in the military has zilch to do with it), you're NOT born in another country. Therefore, you don't really have claim to any kind of citizenship in that country. I hear people all the time saying they could get dual citizenship because they were born in Germany when their father was stationed there. They were born on a military base, which is US soil. Therefore, they were born in the US, NOT Germany. Even then, there's a lot of red tape involved, and it's iffy at best getting dual citizenship even if you were born in a hospital in Berlin. In that instance, you CANNOT by GERMAN law be a dual citizen. You have to choose which you want by the age of 23. If you are a US citizen and apply for another citizenship voluntarily, you MAY lose your US citizenship as well.
It's not as cut and dry as many people wish it was. Trust me, I'd LOVE to go fly/work/live in the EU. It's that tricky citizenship that keeps getting in the way.
On the military base thing, what Spira and I are trying to say is if you're born on a military base (which being in the military has zilch to do with it), you're NOT born in another country. Therefore, you don't really have claim to any kind of citizenship in that country. I hear people all the time saying they could get dual citizenship because they were born in Germany when their father was stationed there. They were born on a military base, which is US soil. Therefore, they were born in the US, NOT Germany. Even then, there's a lot of red tape involved, and it's iffy at best getting dual citizenship even if you were born in a hospital in Berlin. In that instance, you CANNOT by GERMAN law be a dual citizen. You have to choose which you want by the age of 23. If you are a US citizen and apply for another citizenship voluntarily, you MAY lose your US citizenship as well.
It's not as cut and dry as many people wish it was. Trust me, I'd LOVE to go fly/work/live in the EU. It's that tricky citizenship that keeps getting in the way.
Lefty
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Is it just me or is this is a weird scenario in which somebody is going to smuggle drugs but doesn't want to break the law by exceeding the certificated gross weight of the aircraft?
Well, this scenario is a telltale sign of inexperienced drug smugglers. Obviously you will want to pack as many drugs as possible into the plane. The trick to beat the increased load is to run her over square. Another trick is on landing you can make configuration changes on the runway to aid in slowing you down. Keep the feds off your tail.
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Rosstafari
Likes tacos
Born in Brazil. Maybe to American parents, dunno. Just know that he holds duel citizenship.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
:hiya: Umm, funny, I have both US and Irish citizenship. Even carry both passports. The only US requirements are I cannot serve in any governmental or official position within Ireland and must use my US passport to re-enter the USA. On the Irish side, I am barred from serving in the military or voting. I was born in the USA but can claim Irish citizenship due to a great grandparent that emigrated here. All my children also hold dual citizenship and two passports.
And yes, it is perfectly legal.
http://www.richw.org/dualcit/faq.html#noway
