Flying_Corporal
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I heard that stall in a MD-80 is unrecoverable. Is it true? Why would someone make an a/c with such a negative stability?
MD-80 Stall??
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sixpack
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Not sure about the MD-80 specifically, but I've been told many large aircraft don't recover well from stalls.
They're nothing like the small aircraft. They're designed for efficiency.
Perhaps one of the heavy metal pilots can elaborate.
That's probably why demonstrating stalls for the ATP rating goes like this...
Recover, if you get a stall horn
Recover, if you feel any buffet
Recover, if you feel an impending stall
Recover, if the guy next to you feels a buffet
Recover, if you hear the word stall
Recover, if somebody says a word that rhymes with stall (like mall)
Recover, if you fly over something that rhymes with stall (like a mall)
Seems like the progression of certificates starts with emphasis on recovering from stalls as a private, to ovoiding stalls as an ATP.
They're nothing like the small aircraft. They're designed for efficiency.
Perhaps one of the heavy metal pilots can elaborate.
That's probably why demonstrating stalls for the ATP rating goes like this...
Recover, if you get a stall horn
Recover, if you feel any buffet
Recover, if you feel an impending stall
Recover, if the guy next to you feels a buffet
Recover, if you hear the word stall
Recover, if somebody says a word that rhymes with stall (like mall)
Recover, if you fly over something that rhymes with stall (like a mall)
Seems like the progression of certificates starts with emphasis on recovering from stalls as a private, to ovoiding stalls as an ATP.
Snow
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well if the handeling is anything like 747s in FS that seems accurate, you stall that thing and you kinda go into a wacky 'flat stall' decending at about 10,000fpm and unable to get the nose down or much forward airspeed. But FS has never been known for its accurate large aircraft handling chartaristics. Hum I'm curious now, might have to go try that out on PS744 tonight.
NJA_Capt
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well if the handling is anything like 747s in FS that seems accurate...might have to go try that out on PS744 tonight.
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I wouldn't believe anything that happens in flight sim games. They are for entertainment.
Even the Level D sims at Flight Safety and Boeing do not accurately replicate all flight attitudes. For a simulator to replicate a certain scenario, data must be compiled in the actual aircraft and downloaded into the simulator. So we can do full stalls and spins in the sim, but that doesn't mean that the real aircraft will respond the same way. Sure the sim will do a loop and a barrel role, but unless the flight test data was compiled for a maneuver, all the sim is doing is moving the visuals in response to a control movement.
well if the handling is anything like 747s in FS that seems accurate...might have to go try that out on PS744 tonight.
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I wouldn't believe anything that happens in flight sim games. They are for entertainment.
Even the Level D sims at Flight Safety and Boeing do not accurately replicate all flight attitudes. For a simulator to replicate a certain scenario, data must be compiled in the actual aircraft and downloaded into the simulator. So we can do full stalls and spins in the sim, but that doesn't mean that the real aircraft will respond the same way. Sure the sim will do a loop and a barrel role, but unless the flight test data was compiled for a maneuver, all the sim is doing is moving the visuals in response to a control movement.
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well if the handling is anything like 747s in FS that seems accurate...might have to go try that out on PS744 tonight.
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I wouldn't believe anything that happens in flight sim games. They are for entertainment.
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WHAT??
I can fly darn good Cat III ILSs in my Virtual Airline Pilot flight sim! How hard could it be in the actual plane? Since I'm so good at knocking down MiGs and bombing targets in my Virtual Air Force pilot game, I should be given a step-up in AF UPT!
Flying fighters and airliners isn't really that hard. I don't know why those guys that do it for a living complain so much about money and time off......
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well if the handling is anything like 747s in FS that seems accurate...might have to go try that out on PS744 tonight.
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I wouldn't believe anything that happens in flight sim games. They are for entertainment.
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WHAT??
I can fly darn good Cat III ILSs in my Virtual Airline Pilot flight sim! How hard could it be in the actual plane? Since I'm so good at knocking down MiGs and bombing targets in my Virtual Air Force pilot game, I should be given a step-up in AF UPT!
Flying fighters and airliners isn't really that hard. I don't know why those guys that do it for a living complain so much about money and time off......
pscraig
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Many large T-tail aircraft with rear-mounted engines and swept wings are susceptible to the deep stall, or superstall. In this stall, the turbulent wake of the wings, engine nacelles, and flaps causes the tail to be completely ineffective. This stall is characterized by a very high nose-up attitude, and is generally not recoverable. Kind of like falling tail-first.
Such aircraft have a "stick shaker" and "stick pusher" installed to prevent ever reaching an angle of attack that could induce a deep stall.
Other manufacturers such as Falcon have anhedral designed into their horizontal stabilizers, which also solves the problem. I'm not sure if that solution would work if applied to a very large transport like the MD-80/90/DC-9/etc.
Such aircraft have a "stick shaker" and "stick pusher" installed to prevent ever reaching an angle of attack that could induce a deep stall.
Other manufacturers such as Falcon have anhedral designed into their horizontal stabilizers, which also solves the problem. I'm not sure if that solution would work if applied to a very large transport like the MD-80/90/DC-9/etc.
mtsu_av8er
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I wouldn't believe anything that happens in flight sim games. They are for entertainment.
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So, I take it that you're not a gamer....
I wouldn't believe anything that happens in flight sim games. They are for entertainment.
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So, I take it that you're not a gamer....
Tired
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If you stall a jet, after stick shakers, aural warnings, stall warning lights, stick pushers, etc, you're probably already dead!
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Umm...actually a FalconJet stalls like a big Piper Warrior. The Falcon has no shaker, no pusher, no warning lights...just a very mild horn.
Lears can also be stalled, it's a requirement after a 12-year check to do full stalls, among other manuvers.
If you stall a jet, after stick shakers, aural warnings, stall warning lights, stick pushers, etc, you're probably already dead!
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Umm...actually a FalconJet stalls like a big Piper Warrior. The Falcon has no shaker, no pusher, no warning lights...just a very mild horn.
Lears can also be stalled, it's a requirement after a 12-year check to do full stalls, among other manuvers.