Lynx Aviation (Frontier Express)
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Bandit_Driver
Gold Member
I say that too. That is just insane. If you are a pilot looking for a job it seems like everyone has their hand out for cash. 65 is more than FedEX. Who do they think they are?
Seggy
Well-Known Member
http://tinyurl.com/ypdac7
Lynx=no good
Tim they are starting Lynx to whipsaw the Frontier guys. Simple as that. It starts with these Qs, then it goes up to an A318, etc...
Lynx=no good
Tim they are starting Lynx to whipsaw the Frontier guys. Simple as that. It starts with these Qs, then it goes up to an A318, etc...
wheelsup
Well-Known Member
You'd think Frontier "mainline" pilots would be more concerned with the Republic E-170's than propjobs.
I doubt Lynx would operate Airbii. Anyone know what Frontier's scope clause looks like?
Timbuff10
Well-Known Member
No, I saw the contract... They are not using Lynx for anything but to feed mainline and lead to more growth for Frontier.
Everyone was worried about Lynx being used to undercut mainline and the pilots got scope against that.
The problem is, while everyone was worried about that, they forgot to limit the JetExpress operation that Republic is taking over from Horizon. By 2010 or something like that, Frontier Jetexpress will be allowed to have up to around 50 aircraft which will be operated by Republic or maybe even someone else by then. This is what the pilots should have been worried about and that is where the danger is. Those 170s can easily take over a mainline route and do it way cheaper with the lower paid help.
Lynx on the other hand is limited to 76 seat or less TP only. You can't just put a Lynx TP on a route that a mainline 319/20/18 flies. A Q400 just wont fly from DEN to DCA.
I think the pilots could have done way better with the contract but they could have done way worse too.
Everyone was worried about Lynx being used to undercut mainline and the pilots got scope against that.
The problem is, while everyone was worried about that, they forgot to limit the JetExpress operation that Republic is taking over from Horizon. By 2010 or something like that, Frontier Jetexpress will be allowed to have up to around 50 aircraft which will be operated by Republic or maybe even someone else by then. This is what the pilots should have been worried about and that is where the danger is. Those 170s can easily take over a mainline route and do it way cheaper with the lower paid help.
Lynx on the other hand is limited to 76 seat or less TP only. You can't just put a Lynx TP on a route that a mainline 319/20/18 flies. A Q400 just wont fly from DEN to DCA.
I think the pilots could have done way better with the contract but they could have done way worse too.
Timbuff10
Well-Known Member
Horizon first year CA pay on the Q: $65/hr
Colgan first year CA pay on the Q: $53/hr
Lynx first year CA pay on the Q: $50/hr
Horizon first year FO pay on the Q: $29/hr
Colgan first year FO pay on the Q: $21/hr
Lynx first year FO pay on the Q: $??/hr
Horizon mins: 1000/100
Colgan mins: 600/100
Lynx mins: really unrealistically high
You also have to consider how far your money goes in the bases you fly out of. The colgan Q400 base is EWR right? Lynx will be DEN, and Horizon is SEA and PDX I think.
It seems Lynx has a long way to go to catch up with Horizon. I think alot of things can and will change over the next 6 months though, at least I hope they do. Either way, pay going down sucks and just provokes other airlines to lower theirs.
My question is, how do we change it?
Colgan first year CA pay on the Q: $53/hr
Lynx first year CA pay on the Q: $50/hr
Horizon first year FO pay on the Q: $29/hr
Colgan first year FO pay on the Q: $21/hr
Lynx first year FO pay on the Q: $??/hr
Horizon mins: 1000/100
Colgan mins: 600/100
Lynx mins: really unrealistically high
You also have to consider how far your money goes in the bases you fly out of. The colgan Q400 base is EWR right? Lynx will be DEN, and Horizon is SEA and PDX I think.
It seems Lynx has a long way to go to catch up with Horizon. I think alot of things can and will change over the next 6 months though, at least I hope they do. Either way, pay going down sucks and just provokes other airlines to lower theirs.
My question is, how do we change it?
Seggy
Well-Known Member
www.alpa.org
and that we ALL fight to make sure that bar is raised...
Doug or Kristie, we need a smily that somehow shows the bar being raised!
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
I don't see a lot of difference b/w Lynx and Compass over at NWA. People said Compass would just be a feed for NWA, but now NWA has announced an EXPANSION in the regional side and a slow phase out of the DC-9. Sounds like they're replacing the old mainline routes with regional routes. What if Frontier decided they could make more $$$ on a route that was serviced by an Airbus by throwing a Lynx Q400 on it at the expense of a possible order for a new Airbus? Would that still be "feeding mainline?"
Timbuff10
Well-Known Member
Frontier's route map: http://www.frontierairlines.com/frontier/plan-book/routes-timetables/route-map.do
Well, the only destinations that mainline flies to that is within 600miles of DEN is MCI, SLC, and PHX. Omaha used to be a mainline city but has since been taken over by the 170 that Republic uses. OMA was usually pretty light anyway and was nearly always a 737-200/318 route when I was there.
I seriously doubt Lynx will serve any of the mainline cities because the distance is too far and those few closer cities are already doing well with the several Airbus flights that operate them now. From what they have said, Lynx will only be doing mountain cities, and stuff out on the plains of Kansas, Nebrasska, Wyoming, and the Dakotas. Maybe a few places in Arizona, Utah, New Mexico, Montana and Idaho too. Their official route map should come out soon though and from what I remember they are limiting it to within 500 or 600 miles from Denver.
I see what you guys are saying but I think the situation here is very different than other airline's out there. To me Republic or whoever is operating JetExpress looks like the biggest enemy here. Am I way off base here in my thinking?
Well, the only destinations that mainline flies to that is within 600miles of DEN is MCI, SLC, and PHX. Omaha used to be a mainline city but has since been taken over by the 170 that Republic uses. OMA was usually pretty light anyway and was nearly always a 737-200/318 route when I was there.
I seriously doubt Lynx will serve any of the mainline cities because the distance is too far and those few closer cities are already doing well with the several Airbus flights that operate them now. From what they have said, Lynx will only be doing mountain cities, and stuff out on the plains of Kansas, Nebrasska, Wyoming, and the Dakotas. Maybe a few places in Arizona, Utah, New Mexico, Montana and Idaho too. Their official route map should come out soon though and from what I remember they are limiting it to within 500 or 600 miles from Denver.
I see what you guys are saying but I think the situation here is very different than other airline's out there. To me Republic or whoever is operating JetExpress looks like the biggest enemy here. Am I way off base here in my thinking?
Timbuff10
Well-Known Member
I have talked to numerous DEN based YV Dash 8 pilots that are going over there as Captains. I guess Lynx is a step up from Mesa at least
Hmmm, Mesa Dash 8 first year CA $38, 1st year FO $19... It seems Mesa is the bad guy of the industry again.
I guess that is who will be crewing the Qs at Lynx then.
Go Buffs!!!
aceflyley
New Member
Yeah, that is certainly a career move I would make if I were in their shoes. Just from what I know about Mesa and Frontier I would be shocked if working for Lynx wasn't quite a bit better in regards to pay and QOL. They'll proabably be flying into a lot of the same airports as well.
Man, last year was a tough one for the Buffs, but I'm counting on some serious improvement in year two.
Timbuff10
Well-Known Member
Well here is the official ad for FOs, I guess it rules me out at 700/100...
First Officer - Lynx Aviation
Company: Lynx Aviation
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Description
Job Title: First Officer
Opening date: March 28, 2007
Department: Flight Operations
Location: Denver, CO
Salary Range: $21.00/ Flight Hour
Position Summary:
The First Officer is to assist the Captain in the conduct of safe, efficient and timely flight operations in accordance with all Company and Federal Aviation Regulations.
Essential Functions
• Under the direction of the Captain, the First Officer employs the principles of Crew Resource Management as detailed in the Flight Operations Manual, to ensure the safe, efficient and timely operation of all Lynx Aviation flights to which he/she is assigned; and in accordance with all Company and Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR).
• Responsible for the operation of the aircraft during the designated period of duty unless relieved by Company authority. This involves operating the aircraft according to applicable Company and Federal Aviation Regulations.
• Maintains a high degree of proficiency and a thorough knowledge of the procedures and aircraft systems.
• Determines that the aircraft is air-worthy in accordance with FARs and Company policies and procedures and completes the appropriate preflight inspections.
• Becomes familiar with existing and forecast weather prior to each flight.
• Ensures that the flight is planned and fueled properly so that the flight may be conducted safely and in accordance with current policies and regulations.
• Assists with and ensures proper handling of aircraft, passenger, baggage, and cargo at terminal points where other company personnel are not available.
• Notifies crew and passengers properly of turbulent weather condition or any other operational factors affecting the flight.
• Ensures that the load manifest for a flight is reviewed and the passenger count is verified.
• Interface with customers and other company personnel in a professional and courteous manner.
• Maintains attendance according to Company personnel procedures and practices.
• Time permitting, assists with light cleaning of the aircraft on the ground.
Requirements
Qualifications: (Formal education or training required; amount and type of prior experience required)
• 1500 hours minimum. 2500 hours total preferred
• 500 hours multi-engine minimum. 1000 hours preferred.
• 500 hours pilot in command (PIC)
• 500 hours jet/turbo-prop
• Current FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate
• Vision corrected to 20/20
• Commercial / MEL Certificate minimum. ATP-MEL preferred
• FCC Restricted Radio Operator’s Permit
• Valid Passport, with machine readable print, and the ability to travel in and out of the United States
• Authorization to work in the United States
• Ability to travel in and out of the U.S. to all cities/countries served by Lynx Aviation
• Ability to relocate
• Ability and willingness to work weekends, nights, holidays and overnight trips
• Ability and desire to demonstrate Lynx Aviation’s values of Safety, Respect, Trust, Collaboration, Value and Passion
• Ability and desire to maintain a well groomed and professional appearance
• Ability to pass pre-employment drug testing and background checks
• Experience with sophisticated aircraft equipment including Electronic Flight Instrument Systems (EFIS) and Flight Management Systems (FMS) preferred
Knowledge, Skills and Abilities:
• Possess excellent communication skills to include ability to speak, read and write English.
• Ability to problem-solve and react positively to difficult situations.
Working Conditions:
Equipment – List all machines and equipment used directly in the performance of this position
Standard office equipment, including PC, copier, fax machine, printer
• Aircraft
• Aircraft Controls
• Company manuals
• Navigation charts
• Flashlight
Work Environment – Describe the usual working environment (i.e. normal office, outdoors subject to weather variations, elevated noise levels etc.)
• Inside and outside environment.
• Exposure to weather and elevated noise levels.
• Various work schedule to include weekends, nights, holidays.
• Typical office environment, adequately heated and cooled
Physical Effort
Moderate physical activity required by handling objects up to 50 pounds occasionally and/or up to 20 pounds frequently.
HOW TO APPLY:
To apply to Lynx Aviation, please send an email expressing interest to [Click here for email] An application will be sent to the applicant. There is a $65 non-refundable application fee which can be paid by check or money order to Lynx Aviation located at 1765 W. 121st Ave Ste 100. Westminster, CO 80234. The application fee should be sent by the applicant to Lynx Aviation headquarters along with the applicant’s completed application for consideration.
Maybe they would be better off just hanging out near the Great Lakes and Mesa crew lounges at DIA. With the times they are looking for, I am not too sure they will find a lot of people jumping at that. Then again if Lakes tries to send a bunch of their pilots to some far away base in St Louis or Wisconsin I could see them jumping ship for Lynx if their employment contract just expired.
Oh well, I'm bumbed but what can you do? They were my number one choice with ExpressJet and Skywest a close second.
First Officer - Lynx Aviation
Company: Lynx Aviation
Learn more about this company >>
View all jobs at this company >>
Description
Job Title: First Officer
Opening date: March 28, 2007
Department: Flight Operations
Location: Denver, CO
Salary Range: $21.00/ Flight Hour
Position Summary:
The First Officer is to assist the Captain in the conduct of safe, efficient and timely flight operations in accordance with all Company and Federal Aviation Regulations.
Essential Functions
• Under the direction of the Captain, the First Officer employs the principles of Crew Resource Management as detailed in the Flight Operations Manual, to ensure the safe, efficient and timely operation of all Lynx Aviation flights to which he/she is assigned; and in accordance with all Company and Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR).
• Responsible for the operation of the aircraft during the designated period of duty unless relieved by Company authority. This involves operating the aircraft according to applicable Company and Federal Aviation Regulations.
• Maintains a high degree of proficiency and a thorough knowledge of the procedures and aircraft systems.
• Determines that the aircraft is air-worthy in accordance with FARs and Company policies and procedures and completes the appropriate preflight inspections.
• Becomes familiar with existing and forecast weather prior to each flight.
• Ensures that the flight is planned and fueled properly so that the flight may be conducted safely and in accordance with current policies and regulations.
• Assists with and ensures proper handling of aircraft, passenger, baggage, and cargo at terminal points where other company personnel are not available.
• Notifies crew and passengers properly of turbulent weather condition or any other operational factors affecting the flight.
• Ensures that the load manifest for a flight is reviewed and the passenger count is verified.
• Interface with customers and other company personnel in a professional and courteous manner.
• Maintains attendance according to Company personnel procedures and practices.
• Time permitting, assists with light cleaning of the aircraft on the ground.
Requirements
Qualifications: (Formal education or training required; amount and type of prior experience required)
• 1500 hours minimum. 2500 hours total preferred
• 500 hours multi-engine minimum. 1000 hours preferred.
• 500 hours pilot in command (PIC)
• 500 hours jet/turbo-prop
• Current FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate
• Vision corrected to 20/20
• Commercial / MEL Certificate minimum. ATP-MEL preferred
• FCC Restricted Radio Operator’s Permit
• Valid Passport, with machine readable print, and the ability to travel in and out of the United States
• Authorization to work in the United States
• Ability to travel in and out of the U.S. to all cities/countries served by Lynx Aviation
• Ability to relocate
• Ability and willingness to work weekends, nights, holidays and overnight trips
• Ability and desire to demonstrate Lynx Aviation’s values of Safety, Respect, Trust, Collaboration, Value and Passion
• Ability and desire to maintain a well groomed and professional appearance
• Ability to pass pre-employment drug testing and background checks
• Experience with sophisticated aircraft equipment including Electronic Flight Instrument Systems (EFIS) and Flight Management Systems (FMS) preferred
Knowledge, Skills and Abilities:
• Possess excellent communication skills to include ability to speak, read and write English.
• Ability to problem-solve and react positively to difficult situations.
Working Conditions:
Equipment – List all machines and equipment used directly in the performance of this position
Standard office equipment, including PC, copier, fax machine, printer
• Aircraft
• Aircraft Controls
• Company manuals
• Navigation charts
• Flashlight
Work Environment – Describe the usual working environment (i.e. normal office, outdoors subject to weather variations, elevated noise levels etc.)
• Inside and outside environment.
• Exposure to weather and elevated noise levels.
• Various work schedule to include weekends, nights, holidays.
• Typical office environment, adequately heated and cooled
Physical Effort
Moderate physical activity required by handling objects up to 50 pounds occasionally and/or up to 20 pounds frequently.
HOW TO APPLY:
To apply to Lynx Aviation, please send an email expressing interest to [Click here for email] An application will be sent to the applicant. There is a $65 non-refundable application fee which can be paid by check or money order to Lynx Aviation located at 1765 W. 121st Ave Ste 100. Westminster, CO 80234. The application fee should be sent by the applicant to Lynx Aviation headquarters along with the applicant’s completed application for consideration.
Maybe they would be better off just hanging out near the Great Lakes and Mesa crew lounges at DIA. With the times they are looking for, I am not too sure they will find a lot of people jumping at that. Then again if Lakes tries to send a bunch of their pilots to some far away base in St Louis or Wisconsin I could see them jumping ship for Lynx if their employment contract just expired.
Oh well, I'm bumbed but what can you do? They were my number one choice with ExpressJet and Skywest a close second.
taildragger173
Well-Known Member
Tim,
Out of curiosity where did you find that information.
Out of curiosity where did you find that information.
Timbuff10
Well-Known Member
http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSee...30;CHL=AL;QS=sid_unknown;SS=NO;TITL=0;JQT=RAD
Uhhh, at that really long link... CareerBuilder.com
Uhhh, at that really long link... CareerBuilder.com
OldTownPilot
Well-Known Member
1500/500 and a 65 dollar app fee. YGTBSM. Good luck finding people to go to a non-union place to yank gear with that sort of time.
Timbuff10
Well-Known Member
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Agree. $21/hr for those mins is a slap in the face. Hell, $21 for 1000/100 is pretty close to a slap in the face. I meet the mins for that (1500/500/500) and I wouldn't leave my about-to-get-a-raise job to go back to the bottom of a seniority list for the same pay I'm making now.