Lost a log book? Anyone
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Fly777bigBIRD
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OUCH!
I would be so pissed off if that happens to me....ill get my bat out and starting smashing:nana2:
I would be so pissed off if that happens to me....ill get my bat out and starting smashing:nana2:
CRJDriver
Well-Known Member
Sorry, that sucks man! Do you have a back-up, like an electronic logbook? If not, www.logshare.com is pretty good and it's free!
flyguy
Well-Known Member
So you do still have your current logbook? That being the case its slightly less of an issue, since you can still prove your current time. I had a colleague who lost his logbook, and all he had to prove his time was his last 8710 and a new logbook he started since he lost his first one. He got hired by Mesa, though I'm not sure how he handled the interview.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
This thread sends a chill down my spine.
dingo222
Well-Known Member
I had a student lose a logbook once. WE took his last 8710 to the FSDO and they made like a 2 page annotation in his new logbook stating that to the "best of his knowledge" the times on the 8710 and the hours he had flown since were correct. HE also used a history of reciepts from the fbo to help re-create his logbook. Our school could print out a history of when he flew, for how long etc. Unless you owned the plane, you were probably paying for it via tach time or hobbs, and someone should have records of that. It's a lot of work, but most of it can be re-created. Having a signature from the FSDO in your new logbook certifying that the times on your last 8710 doesn't hurt either.
Lesson learned....... make copies, put it on your computer, even if it's on MS excel, and keep those logbooks in a safe place! It's the only proof of what you have done until you get to a flying job where they track it for you.
Lesson learned....... make copies, put it on your computer, even if it's on MS excel, and keep those logbooks in a safe place! It's the only proof of what you have done until you get to a flying job where they track it for you.
MidlifeFlyer
Well-Known Member
Personal FAQ (not on my site):
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Lost Logbooks
There are two FAA sources for the information of how to handle them
The first is FAA Order 8700.1 - General Aviation Operations Inspector's Handbook
Volume 2 (General Aviation Safety Inspector (Operations) Tasks And Responsibilities), Chapter 1, Section 10, Paragraph 21
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21. LOST LOGBOOKS OR FLIGHT RECORDS. Aeronautical experience requirements must be shown for a person to be eligible for the issuance or to exercise the privileges of a pilot certificate. A pilot who has lost logbooks or flight time records should be reminded that any fraudulent or intentional false statements concerning aeronautical experience are a basis for suspension or revocation of any certificate or rating held. The pilot who has this problem may, at the discretion of the inspector accepting the application for a pilot certificate or rating, use a signed and notarized statement of previous flight time as the basis for starting a new flight time record. Such a statement should be substantiated by all available evidence, such as aircraft logbooks, receipts for aircraft rentals, and statements of flight operators.
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The, second, which is a little more helpful and goes into more detail is FAA Order 8400.10 - Air Transportation Operations Inspector's Handbook. Volume 5 (Airman Certification And Designated Examiners), Chapter 9, Section 4, Paragraph 731
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731. LOST LOGBOOKS OR FLIGHT RECORDS. Inspectors should advise airmen that they may reconstruct lost logbooks or flight records by providing a signed statement of previous flight time.
A. Proof of Experience. Airmen may use the following items to substantiate flight time and experience:
* Aircraft logbooks
* Receipts for aircraft rentals
* Operator records
* Copies of airman medical files
* Copies of FAA Form 8710-1, "Airman Certificate and/or Rating Application"
B. Obtaining File Copies. Airmen who have lost their logbooks or flight records may request copies of their files from the FAA by writing to the following:
FAA Airmen Certification Branch, AVN-460
P.O. Box 25082
Oklahoma City, OK 73125
FAA, Aeromedical Certification Branch
P.O. Box 25082
Oklahoma City, OK 73125
NOTE: Inspectors should encourage pilots to complete the flight time sections of official record forms, even though it would not be required for that specific certificate. These records document a chronological development of flight time in case personal records become lost.
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Obviously, the records used to reconstruct the logbook should be kept in a safe place. And it's not stated, but since the primary use of the reconstructed logbook will be to verify the information in the student's 8710-1, it would be a good idea to review what you did with the DPE who will be performing the practical test or with a local FSDO inspector.
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Lost Logbooks
There are two FAA sources for the information of how to handle them
The first is FAA Order 8700.1 - General Aviation Operations Inspector's Handbook
Volume 2 (General Aviation Safety Inspector (Operations) Tasks And Responsibilities), Chapter 1, Section 10, Paragraph 21
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21. LOST LOGBOOKS OR FLIGHT RECORDS. Aeronautical experience requirements must be shown for a person to be eligible for the issuance or to exercise the privileges of a pilot certificate. A pilot who has lost logbooks or flight time records should be reminded that any fraudulent or intentional false statements concerning aeronautical experience are a basis for suspension or revocation of any certificate or rating held. The pilot who has this problem may, at the discretion of the inspector accepting the application for a pilot certificate or rating, use a signed and notarized statement of previous flight time as the basis for starting a new flight time record. Such a statement should be substantiated by all available evidence, such as aircraft logbooks, receipts for aircraft rentals, and statements of flight operators.
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The, second, which is a little more helpful and goes into more detail is FAA Order 8400.10 - Air Transportation Operations Inspector's Handbook. Volume 5 (Airman Certification And Designated Examiners), Chapter 9, Section 4, Paragraph 731
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731. LOST LOGBOOKS OR FLIGHT RECORDS. Inspectors should advise airmen that they may reconstruct lost logbooks or flight records by providing a signed statement of previous flight time.
A. Proof of Experience. Airmen may use the following items to substantiate flight time and experience:
* Aircraft logbooks
* Receipts for aircraft rentals
* Operator records
* Copies of airman medical files
* Copies of FAA Form 8710-1, "Airman Certificate and/or Rating Application"
B. Obtaining File Copies. Airmen who have lost their logbooks or flight records may request copies of their files from the FAA by writing to the following:
FAA Airmen Certification Branch, AVN-460
P.O. Box 25082
Oklahoma City, OK 73125
FAA, Aeromedical Certification Branch
P.O. Box 25082
Oklahoma City, OK 73125
NOTE: Inspectors should encourage pilots to complete the flight time sections of official record forms, even though it would not be required for that specific certificate. These records document a chronological development of flight time in case personal records become lost.
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Obviously, the records used to reconstruct the logbook should be kept in a safe place. And it's not stated, but since the primary use of the reconstructed logbook will be to verify the information in the student's 8710-1, it would be a good idea to review what you did with the DPE who will be performing the practical test or with a local FSDO inspector.
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