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I saw this on yahoo. Maybe things are about to improve for you guys. Check out #6!

Career Tools > Career Articles > Which Jobs Pay New Hires Best?
Which Jobs Pay New Hires Best?



by Charles Purdy, Yahoo! HotJobs

Most college grads enter the workforce with thousands of dollars in student-loan debt--the College Board cites an average of close to $20,000 for bachelor's degree recipients. And then come the lean years: at the beginning of a career, many people expect to live on the cheap as they build a resume, develop relationships with clients, or continue to hone their skills. But not all careers require a long apprenticeship. People who want to earn high salaries right from the start of their careers can choose from several fields in which newcomers are relatively well paid, according to the new, second edition of Laurence Shatkin's "250 Best-Paying Jobs" (Jist Publishing).
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"Within these occupations, the workers who earn at the 10th percentile--meaning that 90 percent of the workers in the occupation earn more than they do--still earn at least $51,540," explains Shatkin.
In other words, the lowest-earning 10 percent of workers in these careers earn more than 75 percent of all American earners. (Slatkin's salary figures are based on the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics' Occupational Employment Survey released in May 2008.)
The following list features ten occupations from Shatkin's list of jobs in which even beginners are paid well. People who want an immediate return on their educational investment may want to take note. Have an interest in teeth? Even better:
1. Orthodontists
Beginning Wage: $100,980
Median Earnings: $166,400+
2. Prosthodontists
Beginning Wage: $72,710
Median Earnings: $166,400+

3. Nuclear Engineers
Beginning Wage: $68,300
Median Earnings: $97,080
4. Computer and Information Scientists, Research
Beginning Wage: $57,480
Median Earnings: $97,970
5. Education Administrators, Elementary and Secondary School
Beginning Wage: $55,580
Median Earnings: $83,880

6. Airline Pilots, Copilots, and Flight Engineers
Beginning Wage: $55,330
Median Earnings: $111,680
7. Lawyers
Beginning Wage: $54,460
Median Earnings: $110,590
8. Financial Managers
Beginning Wage: $53,860
Median Earnings: $99,330
9. Chemical Engineers
Beginning Wage: $53,730
Median Earnings: $84,680
10. Mathematicians
Beginning Wage: $53,570
Median Earnings: $95,150
 
Vertigo said:
I saw this on yahoo. Maybe things are about to improve for you guys. Check out #6!

Career Tools > Career Articles > Which Jobs Pay New Hires Best?
Which Jobs Pay New Hires Best?



by Charles Purdy, Yahoo! HotJobs

Most college grads enter the workforce with thousands of dollars in student-loan debt--the College Board cites an average of close to $20,000 for bachelor's degree recipients. And then come the lean years: at the beginning of a career, many people expect to live on the cheap as they build a resume, develop relationships with clients, or continue to hone their skills. But not all careers require a long apprenticeship. People who want to earn high salaries right from the start of their careers can choose from several fields in which newcomers are relatively well paid, according to the new, second edition of Laurence Shatkin's "250 Best-Paying Jobs" (Jist Publishing).
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Also on Yahoo! HotJobs:

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"Within these occupations, the workers who earn at the 10th percentile--meaning that 90 percent of the workers in the occupation earn more than they do--still earn at least $51,540," explains Shatkin.
In other words, the lowest-earning 10 percent of workers in these careers earn more than 75 percent of all American earners. (Slatkin's salary figures are based on the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics' Occupational Employment Survey released in May 2008.)
The following list features ten occupations from Shatkin's list of jobs in which even beginners are paid well. People who want an immediate return on their educational investment may want to take note. Have an interest in teeth? Even better:
1. Orthodontists
Beginning Wage: $100,980
Median Earnings: $166,400+
2. Prosthodontists
Beginning Wage: $72,710
Median Earnings: $166,400+

3. Nuclear Engineers
Beginning Wage: $68,300
Median Earnings: $97,080
4. Computer and Information Scientists, Research
Beginning Wage: $57,480
Median Earnings: $97,970
5. Education Administrators, Elementary and Secondary School
Beginning Wage: $55,580
Median Earnings: $83,880

6. Airline Pilots, Copilots, and Flight Engineers
Beginning Wage: $55,330
Median Earnings: $111,680
7. Lawyers
Beginning Wage: $54,460
Median Earnings: $110,590
8. Financial Managers
Beginning Wage: $53,860
Median Earnings: $99,330
9. Chemical Engineers
Beginning Wage: $53,730
Median Earnings: $84,680
10. Mathematicians
Beginning Wage: $53,570
Median Earnings: $95,150
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Nothing untrue about that. A new hire Captain at a regional does earn about 55K a year. And there have been first year Captains at regionals; just not very many of them.
 
Whereever do they get these numbers?

From the Department of Labor's Occupational Outlook Handbook, of course (wait, what?!):
Earnings
Earnings of aircraft pilots and flight engineers vary greatly depending whether they work as airline or commercial pilots. Earnings also depend on factors such as rank, seniority, and the size and type of aircraft flown. For example, pilots who fly jet aircraft usually earn higher salaries than pilots who fly turboprops. Airline pilots and flight engineers may earn extra pay for night and international flights. In May 2008, median annual wages of airline pilots, copilots, and flight engineers were $111,680. The middle 50 percent earned between $81,580 and $150,480.

Median annual wages of commercial pilots were $65,340 in May 2008. The middle 50 percent earned between $45,680 and $89,540. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $32,020, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $129,580.

Airline pilots usually are eligible for life and health insurance plans. They also receive retirement benefits and, if they fail the FAA physical examination at some point in their careers, they get disability payments. In addition, pilots receive an expense allowance, or “per diem,” for every hour they are away from home. Some airlines also provide allowances to pilots for purchasing and cleaning their uniforms. As an additional benefit, pilots and their immediate families usually are entitled to free or reduced-fare transportation on their own and other airlines.

More than half of all aircraft pilots are members of unions. Most of the pilots who fly for the major airlines are members of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, but those employed by one major airline are members of the Allied Pilots Association.
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skydog2 said:
Nothing untrue about that. A new hire Captain at a regional does earn about 55K a year. And there have been first year Captains at regionals; just not very many of them.
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If you're going to be nitpicky.... you need to read the article:

But not all careers require a long apprenticeship. People who want to earn high salaries right from the start of their careers can choose from several fields in which newcomers are relatively well paid, according to the new, second edition of Laurence Shatkin's "250 Best-Paying Jobs" (Jist Publishing).
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So, basically, this article is stating, and you're backing up, that I can leave college and become a Captain as a new hire?
 
Well, gotta inspire people to go to flight school somehow.

People go to flight school, instructors have jobs.. it all works out.

:P
 
I guess I missed where the article even said "regional"? It is just talking about ALL airline pilots. Got to factor in the big airplanes too, here. When you do that, the numbers are not out of line at all. In fact, the regional salaries just drag the numbers down quite a bit. The part of the article that's missing is the amount of qualifications it takes to get hired in the first place!
 
seagull said:
I guess I missed where the article even said "regional"? It is just talking about ALL airline pilots. Got to factor in the big airplanes too, here. When you do that, the numbers are not out of line at all. In fact, the regional salaries just drag the numbers down quite a bit. The part of the article that's missing is the amount of qualifications it takes to get hired in the first place!
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I was going to ask this very question.

Curious - how many pilots are employed by 'regionals' (I know the word has a fuzzy definition as time goes on) vs. mainline/legacy carriers?

Further - how many 121-freight pilots are there?
 
pilots make more than lawyers?
wow, i must be working for the wrong company.

seriously though, are they assuming pilots only work 1000 hours and so doubling the pay to make a 2000 hour year?
 
seagull said:
I guess I missed where the article even said "regional"? It is just talking about ALL airline pilots. Got to factor in the big airplanes too, here. When you do that, the numbers are not out of line at all. In fact, the regional salaries just drag the numbers down quite a bit. The part of the article that's missing is the amount of qualifications it takes to get hired in the first place!
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What, at only one airline is first year pay more then $55,330. Atlas at $55,800.
 
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