Logging X-Ctry Time
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Tired
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Log every flight to another airport as cross-country time. You only need to keep track if the flight is over 50nm for private and instrument ratings. Also, if you leave your home airport, fly more then 50nm miles and then return to your home airport go ahead and keep track of that time towards XC for your ATP rating.
AngelFuree
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Ha ha ha ha, if not, then Brendan is screwed Tim?
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yes, assuming you made it outside a 50nm radius from your original point
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You mean that the complete 40nm leg has to be outside the 50 nm radius? Naw...you're kidding, right? (that's why the:
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I thought that you could do a trip consisting of (for example) four legs that are all 30 nm in length, and as long as one of the landings was at an airport at least 50 miles from your departure airport you could log all four legs as x-c (for the purpose of ratings attainment).
yes, assuming you made it outside a 50nm radius from your original point
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You mean that the complete 40nm leg has to be outside the 50 nm radius? Naw...you're kidding, right? (that's why the:
I thought that you could do a trip consisting of (for example) four legs that are all 30 nm in length, and as long as one of the landings was at an airport at least 50 miles from your departure airport you could log all four legs as x-c (for the purpose of ratings attainment).
sbe
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I thought that you could do a trip consisting of (for example) four legs that are all 30 nm in length, and as long as one of the landings was at an airport at least 50 miles from your departure airport you could log all four legs as x-c (for the purpose of ratings attainment).
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Yes. As long as you eventually end up on the ground at an airport 50nm or more away from your departure point, you are officially on a x/c. Doesn't matter how many legs.
Sarah
I thought that you could do a trip consisting of (for example) four legs that are all 30 nm in length, and as long as one of the landings was at an airport at least 50 miles from your departure airport you could log all four legs as x-c (for the purpose of ratings attainment).
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Yes. As long as you eventually end up on the ground at an airport 50nm or more away from your departure point, you are officially on a x/c. Doesn't matter how many legs.
Sarah
Acadia
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You only need to keep track if the flight is over 50nm for private and instrument ratings
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Not quite. You still need 50nm with a landing for meeting commercial XC experience as well. Also even to meet the requirements for the ATP you still need to fly 50nm from the departure point, but a landing is not required. As far as I can tell the only benefit to keeping track of landings at airports under 50nm is to meet minimums for part 135. That type of XC does not count toward any license or rating.
Obviously as mentioned above legs under 50nm count if they are part of a XC flight that is greater than 50nm from the original departure point.
You only need to keep track if the flight is over 50nm for private and instrument ratings
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Not quite. You still need 50nm with a landing for meeting commercial XC experience as well. Also even to meet the requirements for the ATP you still need to fly 50nm from the departure point, but a landing is not required. As far as I can tell the only benefit to keeping track of landings at airports under 50nm is to meet minimums for part 135. That type of XC does not count toward any license or rating.
Obviously as mentioned above legs under 50nm count if they are part of a XC flight that is greater than 50nm from the original departure point.
Tired
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You only need to keep track if the flight is over 50nm for private and instrument ratings
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As far as I can tell the only benefit to keeping track of landings at airports under 50nm is to meet minimums for part 135.
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The benefit to me is to have a logbook that is accurate per 61.1.
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You only need to keep track if the flight is over 50nm for private and instrument ratings
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As far as I can tell the only benefit to keeping track of landings at airports under 50nm is to meet minimums for part 135.
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The benefit to me is to have a logbook that is accurate per 61.1.
E_Dawg
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You mean that the complete 40nm leg has to be outside the 50 nm radius? Naw...you're kidding, right? (that's why the:
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huh???
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I thought that you could do a trip consisting of (for example) four legs that are all 30 nm in length, and as long as one of the landings was at an airport at least 50 miles from your departure airport you could log all four legs as x-c (for the purpose of ratings attainment).
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yeah that's it
You mean that the complete 40nm leg has to be outside the 50 nm radius? Naw...you're kidding, right? (that's why the:
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huh???
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I thought that you could do a trip consisting of (for example) four legs that are all 30 nm in length, and as long as one of the landings was at an airport at least 50 miles from your departure airport you could log all four legs as x-c (for the purpose of ratings attainment).
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yeah that's it
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What if...I fly a trip of 300 nm in three legs, one of which is only 40nm. Can the short leg be used towards the cross country requirement?
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yes, assuming you made it outside a 50nm radius from your original point
[/ QUOTE ]You mean that the complete 40nm leg has to be outside the 50 nm radius? Naw...you're kidding, right? (that's why the: , eh?)
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It all depends on what *it* means.....
First time I read your post I thought you meant that "the short leg" was "it" and had to be made outside the 50nm radius. Now I know that you meant "a landing" had to be made outside the 50nm radius.
I know - doesn't make any sense. That's just how my mind works sometimes. Something I have to live with everyday, and you guys have to put up with from time to time....
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What if...I fly a trip of 300 nm in three legs, one of which is only 40nm. Can the short leg be used towards the cross country requirement?
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yes, assuming you made it outside a 50nm radius from your original point
[/ QUOTE ]You mean that the complete 40nm leg has to be outside the 50 nm radius? Naw...you're kidding, right? (that's why the: , eh?)
[/ QUOTE ]huh???
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It all depends on what *it* means.....
First time I read your post I thought you meant that "the short leg" was "it" and had to be made outside the 50nm radius. Now I know that you meant "a landing" had to be made outside the 50nm radius.
I know - doesn't make any sense. That's just how my mind works sometimes. Something I have to live with everyday, and you guys have to put up with from time to time....
Acadia
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The benefit to me is to have a logbook that is accurate per 61.1.
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It is accurate based of the general definition in 61.1 however the time is not considered XC for anything other than meeting 135 requirements. I recommend that my students not log XC time under the definition of 61.1 (landing at airports less than 50nm from departure point). That way every time you need to do an 8710 form you don’t have to go back and subtract all of the time that only meets the 61.1 definition.
For me the best way is to use a separate column (I call it 135 XC) and keep track of it that way.
The benefit to me is to have a logbook that is accurate per 61.1.
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It is accurate based of the general definition in 61.1 however the time is not considered XC for anything other than meeting 135 requirements. I recommend that my students not log XC time under the definition of 61.1 (landing at airports less than 50nm from departure point). That way every time you need to do an 8710 form you don’t have to go back and subtract all of the time that only meets the 61.1 definition.
For me the best way is to use a separate column (I call it 135 XC) and keep track of it that way.
EDUC8-or
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I thought that you could do a trip consisting of (for example) four legs that are all 30 nm in length, and as long as one of the landings was at an airport at least 50 miles from your departure airport you could log all four legs as x-c (for the purpose of ratings attainment).
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Some people said yes, I say no. I don't have my FAR's with me, but I'm pretty sure you need one leg that's at least 50nm long and from the original departure point.
I knew a student who was going for their multi commercial add on and the DE walked because the kid's instrument ticket wasn't valid. One or two of his cross countries didn't have 50nm legs. (for his part 61 instrument) He had to redo the cross countries just so his instrument and commercial tickets were legal.
Why not just play it safe and make sure you have at least one 50nm leg? (for ratings purposes) If I ever have a student from another part of the country I go over their paperwork very carefully and punch their cross countries into DUATS to save any major inconveniences down the road.
I thought that you could do a trip consisting of (for example) four legs that are all 30 nm in length, and as long as one of the landings was at an airport at least 50 miles from your departure airport you could log all four legs as x-c (for the purpose of ratings attainment).
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Some people said yes, I say no. I don't have my FAR's with me, but I'm pretty sure you need one leg that's at least 50nm long and from the original departure point.
I knew a student who was going for their multi commercial add on and the DE walked because the kid's instrument ticket wasn't valid. One or two of his cross countries didn't have 50nm legs. (for his part 61 instrument) He had to redo the cross countries just so his instrument and commercial tickets were legal.
Why not just play it safe and make sure you have at least one 50nm leg? (for ratings purposes) If I ever have a student from another part of the country I go over their paperwork very carefully and punch their cross countries into DUATS to save any major inconveniences down the road.
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I knew a student who was going for their multi commercial add on and the DE walked because the kid's instrument ticket wasn't valid. One or two of his cross countries didn't have 50nm legs. (for his part 61 instrument) He had to redo the cross countries just so his instrument and commercial tickets were legal.
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I'd like to know which candyass DE this was!
Moron.
The kid has got the damn ticket already. If I'm giving a, for example, BFR ride to an ATP, and I happen to look in his logbook and find that one of his Private pilot XCs was short by 1.5 miles, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference.
Morons!
To me, that's just a little too literal and nitpicky.
I knew a student who was going for their multi commercial add on and the DE walked because the kid's instrument ticket wasn't valid. One or two of his cross countries didn't have 50nm legs. (for his part 61 instrument) He had to redo the cross countries just so his instrument and commercial tickets were legal.
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I'd like to know which candyass DE this was!
Moron.
The kid has got the damn ticket already. If I'm giving a, for example, BFR ride to an ATP, and I happen to look in his logbook and find that one of his Private pilot XCs was short by 1.5 miles, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference.
Morons!
To me, that's just a little too literal and nitpicky.
EDUC8-or
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I'd like to know which candyass DE this was!
Moron.
The kid has got the damn ticket already. If I'm giving a, for example, BFR ride to an ATP, and I happen to look in his logbook and find that one of his Private pilot XCs was short by 1.5 miles, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference.
Morons!
To me, that's just a little too literal and nitpicky.
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I agree. His justification was that if he has an accident or incident and review his logbook they could take away his examiner authority because he should have caught it.
This isn't the first time I've heard about this kind of stuff. Another guy came into DAB at another flight school (which I won't name) to get his instrument ticket. He flew from DAB-X47-TIX for every single one of his XC's to fulfill the 50 hours of PIC XC. X47 is about 18 or so miles north of DAB. TIX is about 45 or so miles south. Even though his XC's were over 50nm, they weren't 50nm from the original departure point, so the DE walked. This was a different DE, and he was kind enough to let the guy keep his 300 bucks.
A lot of CFI's out there are either complacent or don't know this stuff. I say get it right the first time and be conservative to avoid any snafus.
I'd like to know which candyass DE this was!
Moron.
The kid has got the damn ticket already. If I'm giving a, for example, BFR ride to an ATP, and I happen to look in his logbook and find that one of his Private pilot XCs was short by 1.5 miles, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference.
Morons!
To me, that's just a little too literal and nitpicky.
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I agree. His justification was that if he has an accident or incident and review his logbook they could take away his examiner authority because he should have caught it.
This isn't the first time I've heard about this kind of stuff. Another guy came into DAB at another flight school (which I won't name) to get his instrument ticket. He flew from DAB-X47-TIX for every single one of his XC's to fulfill the 50 hours of PIC XC. X47 is about 18 or so miles north of DAB. TIX is about 45 or so miles south. Even though his XC's were over 50nm, they weren't 50nm from the original departure point, so the DE walked. This was a different DE, and he was kind enough to let the guy keep his 300 bucks.
A lot of CFI's out there are either complacent or don't know this stuff. I say get it right the first time and be conservative to avoid any snafus.
MidlifeFlyer
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If you make a cross-country trip that has multiple legs...does each leg have to be at least 50nm to be logged as cross country time?
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No, except for one of the cross-countries that is required for the commercial certificate, a flight counts as a cross-country for certificate or rating requirements so long as at least one of the landing is more than 50 NM from where the flight started.
So, if for example you fly a round-robin cross-country from A -20 NM-> B -20 NM-> C -20 NM -> D - 20 NM -> A and =either= B or C or D is more than 50 NM from A, the whole flight counts as a cross-country for certificate or rating purposes.
On top of that, and sometimes this gets confusing, every flight to another airport may be logged as a cross-country. But because they don't count for certificates or ratings (they do count for some other things, like Part 135 requirements) many pilots only log the >50 NM kind to make things less confusing when applying for a certificate or rating.
If you make a cross-country trip that has multiple legs...does each leg have to be at least 50nm to be logged as cross country time?
[/ QUOTE ]Reading through these messages, I ended up confused as to whether you received your answer or not.
No, except for one of the cross-countries that is required for the commercial certificate, a flight counts as a cross-country for certificate or rating requirements so long as at least one of the landing is more than 50 NM from where the flight started.
So, if for example you fly a round-robin cross-country from A -20 NM-> B -20 NM-> C -20 NM -> D - 20 NM -> A and =either= B or C or D is more than 50 NM from A, the whole flight counts as a cross-country for certificate or rating purposes.
On top of that, and sometimes this gets confusing, every flight to another airport may be logged as a cross-country. But because they don't count for certificates or ratings (they do count for some other things, like Part 135 requirements) many pilots only log the >50 NM kind to make things less confusing when applying for a certificate or rating.