Logging PIC in the twin

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Question. I have my MEI and another pilot has his private multi rating. I split the cost of about 4 hours with him on his long 300 nm cross country towards his commercial. This was a 'supervised solo' since he is unable to fly the twin solo due to insurance reasons. As an MEI at the school I am on the insurance. For me it was just a matter of building multi time. I did not sign his logbook as dual given since the flight is simply for his 'solo cross country'. Can I log this as PIC? Do I need to sign his logbook as 'supervised solo'?
 
You could log it as dual given, and PIC. Make sure to put his name in the remarks (as with any time you log as dual given). Doesn't matter that you didn't sign his book.
 
maybe I have completely misunderstood something here, but:

1) CFR 61.189 - A flight instructor must sign the logbook of each person to whom that instructor has given flight training..

2) I have not heard this term 'supervised solo' before as relates to meeting the commercial experience requirements.
 
Agreed, if you log it as dual, you also must sign their logbook.

A guy disqualified from his commercial checkride because he brought his twin 2-year-old daughters with him in the back seat on his long cross-country. You're either solo (alone in the aircraft) or you're not. There is no "supervised solo".
 
<<Question. I have my MEI and another pilot has his private multi rating. I split the cost of about 4 hours with him on his long 300 nm cross country towards his commercial. This was a 'supervised solo' since he is unable to fly the twin solo due to insurance reasons. As an MEI at the school I am on the insurance. For me it was just a matter of building multi time. I did not sign his logbook as dual given since the flight is simply for his 'solo cross country'. Can I log this as PIC? Do I need to sign his logbook as 'supervised solo'? >>


61.129 (b) (4). This certain situation allows for the logging of solo time for the certificate but allows for a CFI to be in the plane at the same time. I guess it was insurance companies pressuring the FAA to make a change ?!?

To the original poster - you'd simply log it as PIC. I'd make a column in the students logbook such as "supervised solo" so its not to be confused with "solo" time.


P.S. Why'd you split the time? That person needed that time for his rating and would have to purchase it anyway. You should of rode along without paying a dime (and charged for it!!).
 
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There is no "supervised solo".


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Yes there is. FSI insurance will not allow for student solo flights in a twin. We do the XC phase of commercial multi time building with the student "acting PIC" thousands of pilots have been trained thru this FAA 141 program at FSI so I imagine its legit.......
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Dual solo in pursuit of the Commercial ME is expressly contemplated in the regs. Whereas 61.129(a)(4) (SE) talks about "10 hours of solo flight" including the long x-country and night flight, 61.129(b)(4) (ME) speaks of "10 hours of solo flight time in a multiengine airplane or 10 hours of flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a multiengine airplane with an authorized instructor (either of which may be credited towards the flight time requirement in paragraph (b)(2) of this section)" including the long x-country and night flight.

So a supervised solo with a qualified instructor is perfectly acceptable for the commercial ME.

Separately, 61.51(d) provides that "[e]xcept for a student pilot performing the duties of pilot in command of an airship requiring more than one pilot flight crewmember, a pilot may log as solo flight time only that flight time when the pilot is the sole occupant of the aircraft." Thus, a pilot would be appropriately disqualified if he took passengers on a required solo cross-country flight. This doesn't really make much sense, once the PPL has been earned, but it does clearly appear to be the rule.

MF
 
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maybe I have completely misunderstood something here, but:

1) CFR 61.189 - A flight instructor must sign the logbook of each person to whom that instructor has given flight training..


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Good catch, my bad! Guess I should peruse part 61 a little more often!
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