Logging of X-Country Time

stuckingfk

Well-Known Member
For guys/gals that have their private pilot certificate already, what kind of flights do you log as cross country time.

The reason I ask this, my student and I landed at another airport while training today and was wondering if I should log this as as cross country time. The airport was about 22 miles away from our departure airport.
 
I think it's flight between any two airports after your commercial but I might be wrong.
 
Yeah, who needs 50nm anyway, right? Landing at another airport after the Commercial license is obtained sounds interesting. Never quite heard it put that way.
 
There is a good reason to log both (or at least have a way of retrieving both in a computerized logbook).

For the purpose of all certificates and ratings, you need to keep track of the >50 NM type. (The cross country requirements for ATP also need to be >50 NM although a landing isn't required).

But the general definition (landing at another airport you didn't bump into by accident) applies to everything else. Part 135 requirements, insurance questions, etc.
 
For any certificate or rating Cross Country is defined as +50 NM from the starting point. FAR pt 91.i'm too lazy to look it up right now

for all other purposes X-Country is defined as leaving the local airport area otherwise known as the pattern. FAR Pt 91.you try working the night shift, then going to school

I curently only log the +50 NM time in my log book.

Since Pt 135 requires 500 hrs X-country, I'll total the flights where I flew out of the traffic pattren whenever I get the magic 1200 TT.
 
Technically, anything that involves a flight to another airport I can log as an x-country. However, since I am working on the instrument rating, I don't log it as x-country time unless I go 50 miles.
 
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For any certificate or rating Cross Country is defined as +50 NM from the starting point. FAR pt 91.i'm too lazy to look it up right now

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Sure that's not Part 61? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Then again, I'm too lazy to dig through boxes to find my FAR/AIM. I really should unpack tomorrow.
 
I recall that once you're a commercial pilot you don't have to land anywhere as long as the point in space you went to was 50 miles away from your starting point.

-Lostcomm
 
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I recall that once you're a commercial pilot you don't have to land anywhere as long as the point in space you went to was 50 miles away from your starting point.

[/ QUOTE ] Your comment points out a big misunderstanding about the cross country rule that's shared by many: It's not what you =are= that determines what you can count. It's what you =need the numbers= for that determines what you can count.

Personal FAQ:
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It's all in 61.1(b)(3)

This is one of those FAA definitions that change depending on what you're using the time for . The definition of cross country falls into three groups:

Group 1: General Definition: A cross country flight is one in which you land at another airport that you didn't accidentally bump into. There are no distance requirements.

Group 2: In order to "Count" for Most Certificates or Ratings: Same as the general definition, except at least one of the places where you land has to be more than 50 NM from where you started the flight. This applies to the private and commercial certificates, and the instrument rating.

Group 3: In order to "Count" for ATP: Same as for Most Certificates or Ratings, except you don't have to land anywhere

Apart from there are the "special cross countries" that are part of the experience requirement for certain certificates and ratings. One example is the private pilot certificate requirement for 150 total distance solo cross country with at least one 50 NM leg (61.109(a)(5)).

So, they're all cross country. And they all can be logged from the time that you are a student pilot. The problem is keeping track of them so you can total the ones that "count" in any given situation. Most new pilots tend to log only Group 2 since those are the ones that they will have to total up in the near future. Some set up two columns right away (Group 1 counts for 135 experience purposes). The lack of a landing in Group 3 is a well-deserved tip of the hat to military pilots who will often fly some distance without landing.

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So, commercial pilot who needs to show that he meets the cross country requirements for that first 135 job needs to show flights to another airport with a landing, but they can be any distance.

But a commercial pilot who is applying for his ATP needs to show flights that are over 50 NM long, even if he didn't land anywhere.
 
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For any certificate or rating Cross Country is defined as +50 NM from the starting point. FAR pt 91.i'm too lazy to look it up right now

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Sure that's not Part 61? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Then again, I'm too lazy to dig through boxes to find my FAR/AIM. I really should unpack tomorrow.

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DOOOPPPPHHHH!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
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