You can log whatever you want, but if your logbook is a record of your piloting experiences for the purposes of currency and advanement, you shouldn't follow this advice.I log the landings because whether I am on the controls completely, somewhat or not at all... I am still 100% mentally involved and responsible for each and every landing that my student does with me in the right seat. My hands and feet are always .01 microseconds away from taking over, if needed.
:yeahthat: I agree with Nihon when it comes to landings, but when it comes to approaches, I log the approaches that I do with a student, because even though I'm not manipulating the flight controls during the approach, I'm actively participating during the entire approach process. I'm actively making sure that the student stays on course, and help them maintain proper tracking of the approach course.You can log whatever you want, but if your logbook is a record of your piloting experiences for the purposes of currency and advanement, you shouldn't follow this advice.
Section 61.57: Recent flight experience: Pilot in command.
(a) General experience. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as a pilot in command of an aircraft carrying passengers or of an aircraft certificated for more than one pilot flight crewmember unless that person has made at least three takeoffs and three landings within the preceding 90 days, and—
(i) The person acted as the sole manipulator of the flight controls;
You can come up with a thousand reasons why you feel responsible and decide to put a student's landings in your logbook, but there's no circumventing "sole manipulator" rule.
Personally, when I'm with a student, I only log the landings I demonstrate. If he flew the landing, it goes in his book, if I flew it, it goes in mine. That way, my logbook is a record of my experiences I've accomplished, not the things I've watched.
Thanks for posting this man!Whether a supervising CFI is "performing" them used to be a big controversy - until the FAA Chief Counsel settled it once and for all: http://www.midlifeflight.com/faq/faq.php?s=3#17
How can the FAA tell which is which - without you telling them?I log all landings but I have flights where there is no dual given to retain my night currency. These are what I use for my currency requirements if the FAA were to ask.
:yeahthat:LOL, good one! I log all landings and only log approaches when IMC or demonstrating.:yeahthat:I only log approaches and instrument time when I am giving duel instruction in actual IMC. Now as far as landings, what action do you think the FAA is going to take if there is an accendent or incident on landing when an instructor is in the aircraft? You might what to log it if you have the potential to get violated for "Just being there".
You might =not= want to log it if you have the potential to get violated for "just being there." (assuming there is such a thing to begin with)You might what to log it if you have the potential to get violated for "Just being there" .
The exact same way as if they look on many other people's log books, the remarks section.How can the FAA tell which is which - without you telling them?
And where in the regs does it say that in order to log landings you must be the sole manipulator of the controls? Only for passenger currency requirements.Guess what the penalty is for falsifying a logbook.
You might =not= want to log it if you have the potential to get violated for "just being there." (assuming there is such a thing to begin with)
It's in the course of a violation that logbooks get examined and stuff that doesn't look right gets investigated - like those 7 landings =you= logged on that 1/2 hour dual flight when your student was supposedly doing touch & goes just before her solo.
How about your liability as an instructor when your student crashes on solo and your logbook says that the student never did a landing by herself, but only followed you ont he controls while you were the "sole manipulator"?
Assuming you get violated for "just being there" unless it's something really serious, you're probably looking at a short suspension or at worst a 709 ride.
Guess what the penalty is for falsifying a logbook.
Yep. Good one!
That's it. If you log something the reasonable assumption is that it was logged for an FAA purpose - that you logged it in order to to show qualification or currency. If you want to enter something for another purpose, just say so.And where in the regs does it say that in order to log landings you must be the sole manipulator of the controls? Only for passenger currency requirements.