Logbook backup questions
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MidlifeFlyer
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Depends on the type of backup. If you're scanning or photocopying pages, you're backing up with signatures. If you're using logbook software for backup, you're not.
But you don't really need to back up the signatures. The backup is really to provide you with a reliable record to use when you follow the FAA's procedures:
From Order 8400.10 - Air Transportation Operations Inspector's Handbook
Volume 2, Chapter 1, Section 10
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21. LOST LOGBOOKS OR FLIGHT RECORDS. Aeronautical experience requirements must be shown for a person to be eligible for the issuance or to exercise the privileges of a pilot certificate. A pilot who has lost logbooks or flight time records should be reminded that any fraudulent or intentional false statements concerning aeronautical experience are a basis for suspension or revocation of any certificate or rating held. The pilot who has this problem may, at the discretion of the inspector accepting the application for a pilot certificate or rating, use a signed and notarized statement of previous flight time as the basis for starting a new flight time record. Such a statement should be substantiated by all available evidence, such as aircraft logbooks, receipts for aircraft rentals, and statements of flight operators
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Volume 5, Chapter 9, Section 4
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731. LOST LOGBOOKS OR FLIGHT RECORDS. Inspectors should advise airmen that they may reconstruct lost logbooks or flight records by providing a signed statement of previous flight time.
A. Proof of Experience. Airmen may use the following items to substantiate flight time and experience:
* Aircraft logbooks
* Receipts for aircraft rentals
* Operator records
* Copies of airman medical files
* Copies of FAA Form 8710-1, "Airman Certificate and/or Rating Application"
B. Obtaining File Copies. Airmen who have lost their logbooks or flight records may request copies of their files from the FAA by writing to the following:
FAA Airmen Certification Branch, AVN-460
P.O. Box 25082
Oklahoma City, OK 73125
FAA, Aeromedical Certification Branch
P.O. Box 25082
Oklahoma City, OK 73125
NOTE: Inspectors should encourage pilots to complete the flight time sections of official record forms, even though it would not be required for that specific certificate. These records document a chronological development of flight time in case personal records become lost.
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Don't know about anyone else, but I'd have no problem signing an affidavit based on my electronic logbook entries.
But you don't really need to back up the signatures. The backup is really to provide you with a reliable record to use when you follow the FAA's procedures:
From Order 8400.10 - Air Transportation Operations Inspector's Handbook
Volume 2, Chapter 1, Section 10
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21. LOST LOGBOOKS OR FLIGHT RECORDS. Aeronautical experience requirements must be shown for a person to be eligible for the issuance or to exercise the privileges of a pilot certificate. A pilot who has lost logbooks or flight time records should be reminded that any fraudulent or intentional false statements concerning aeronautical experience are a basis for suspension or revocation of any certificate or rating held. The pilot who has this problem may, at the discretion of the inspector accepting the application for a pilot certificate or rating, use a signed and notarized statement of previous flight time as the basis for starting a new flight time record. Such a statement should be substantiated by all available evidence, such as aircraft logbooks, receipts for aircraft rentals, and statements of flight operators
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and
Volume 5, Chapter 9, Section 4
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731. LOST LOGBOOKS OR FLIGHT RECORDS. Inspectors should advise airmen that they may reconstruct lost logbooks or flight records by providing a signed statement of previous flight time.
A. Proof of Experience. Airmen may use the following items to substantiate flight time and experience:
* Aircraft logbooks
* Receipts for aircraft rentals
* Operator records
* Copies of airman medical files
* Copies of FAA Form 8710-1, "Airman Certificate and/or Rating Application"
B. Obtaining File Copies. Airmen who have lost their logbooks or flight records may request copies of their files from the FAA by writing to the following:
FAA Airmen Certification Branch, AVN-460
P.O. Box 25082
Oklahoma City, OK 73125
FAA, Aeromedical Certification Branch
P.O. Box 25082
Oklahoma City, OK 73125
NOTE: Inspectors should encourage pilots to complete the flight time sections of official record forms, even though it would not be required for that specific certificate. These records document a chronological development of flight time in case personal records become lost.
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Don't know about anyone else, but I'd have no problem signing an affidavit based on my electronic logbook entries.
I have another question. When I bought an used Jeppesen PPL kit last year, it came with a logbook. I have an intro today and and would like to use it. The problem is that his name and address are written in pen and he has 3 entries totaling about 3 hours. I want to log the 30 minutues I fly today but I didn't want this logbook to go to waste. Only one page is used. Could I just cross out the name and put mine in and then rip out the page with the logged hours?
MidlifeFlyer
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Only one page is used. Could I just cross out the name and put mine in and then rip out the page with the logged hours?
[/ QUOTE ]There no rule that says you can't.
Only one page is used. Could I just cross out the name and put mine in and then rip out the page with the logged hours?
[/ QUOTE ]There no rule that says you can't.
Goonie
Never say die
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l wouldn't.
Just cough up 15 bucks for a new one.
This first logbook will last you for several years and the majority of your training. You want it to look good.
FYI, I'm on the next to last page on mine. It's lasted 10 years and covers all my training.
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But there is no rule that says you have to keep a logbook.I did a guys ATP training once and all he had was an old spiral bound notebook from the 70's it was a mess but it was all legal.You can have all your flights on toilet paper and its all legal.
BTW if you plan on buying one do not buy the Jepp master log book its huge and a pain in the ass to carry around. I regret ever getting one.
l wouldn't.
Just cough up 15 bucks for a new one.
This first logbook will last you for several years and the majority of your training. You want it to look good.
FYI, I'm on the next to last page on mine. It's lasted 10 years and covers all my training.
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But there is no rule that says you have to keep a logbook.I did a guys ATP training once and all he had was an old spiral bound notebook from the 70's it was a mess but it was all legal.You can have all your flights on toilet paper and its all legal.
BTW if you plan on buying one do not buy the Jepp master log book its huge and a pain in the ass to carry around. I regret ever getting one.
casey
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But would I have too much of a problem in the future with this? I really want to use this one. It is brand new with the exception of what I stated above.
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Your only problem would be that it looks a little unprofessional to have pages ripped out of your logbook or other peoples info crossed out. I realize that at this stage looking professional might not be a priority, but remember that you'll be bringing that logbook to every checkride and interview you ever go to if you log something in it.
And on a lesser note, if you cant afford a new logbook, can you really afford to be flying?
Get a new book and find a pen you like and only let people use that pen to write in your logbook, goes a long way toward keeping things looking nice.
But would I have too much of a problem in the future with this? I really want to use this one. It is brand new with the exception of what I stated above.
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Your only problem would be that it looks a little unprofessional to have pages ripped out of your logbook or other peoples info crossed out. I realize that at this stage looking professional might not be a priority, but remember that you'll be bringing that logbook to every checkride and interview you ever go to if you log something in it.
And on a lesser note, if you cant afford a new logbook, can you really afford to be flying?
Get a new book and find a pen you like and only let people use that pen to write in your logbook, goes a long way toward keeping things looking nice.
MidlifeFlyer
Well-Known Member
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[But there is no rule that says you have to keep a logbook.
[/ QUOTE ]You mean except for this one?
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§ 61.51 Pilot logbooks.
(a) Training time and aeronautical experience. Each person must document and record the following time in a manner acceptable to the Administrator:
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Of course there' s no rule that you have to have a logbook with preprinted columns and the name ASA, Jepp, Gleim or Cessna on the front cover.. But you do have to have that "reliable record" recording the information the rule says to record.
Your ATP's spiral; notebook =was= a logbook as much as the fancy one with the leather cover and gold printing.
(You are welcome to try the toilet paper idea. Let me know how it works out
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[But there is no rule that says you have to keep a logbook.
[/ QUOTE ]You mean except for this one?
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§ 61.51 Pilot logbooks.
(a) Training time and aeronautical experience. Each person must document and record the following time in a manner acceptable to the Administrator:
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Of course there' s no rule that you have to have a logbook with preprinted columns and the name ASA, Jepp, Gleim or Cessna on the front cover.. But you do have to have that "reliable record" recording the information the rule says to record.
Your ATP's spiral; notebook =was= a logbook as much as the fancy one with the leather cover and gold printing.
(You are welcome to try the toilet paper idea. Let me know how it works out
planejay
Well-Known Member
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....If you're scanning or photocopying pages, you're backing up with signatures....
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I do this about every 5 pages or so. I make two copies keep one set in the house and the other at school...just incase something happens i.e. fire....This is probably a bit extreme but if I want to be prepared for the worst and be as accurate as possible and avoid the hassle of retrieving all my hard earned hours.
....If you're scanning or photocopying pages, you're backing up with signatures....
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I do this about every 5 pages or so. I make two copies keep one set in the house and the other at school...just incase something happens i.e. fire....This is probably a bit extreme but if I want to be prepared for the worst and be as accurate as possible and avoid the hassle of retrieving all my hard earned hours.