Like finding the end of the internet

[F9DXER]

New Notam arrived
A5049/24 NOTAMR A2924/24
Q)LRBB/QAFXX/IV/NBO/E/000/999/4501N02531E234
A)LRBB B)2408251432 C)2411251400EST
E)DUE TO THE REACH OF THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF NOTAM SERIES D PER YEAR,
INFORMATION RELATING TO AIRSPACE RESERVATIONS (RESTRICTIONS),
WITH UPPER LIMIT AT OR BELOW FL285, (EXCLUDING INFORMATION ON
ACTIVATION OF ANTI-HAIL ROCKET FIRING AREAS WHICH ARE PUBLISHED
AS SERIES C AND INFORMATION ON AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY AND UNMANNED
AIRCRAFT FLIGHTS WHICH ARE PUBLISHED AS SERIES F) WILL BE ISSUED
IN NOTAM SERIES B.

 

[Bustedcropdusta]

Eurocontrol is my daily reminder at work that I don’t know anything. Because just when you do, they pull the rug from under you. I’ve only built overflights for Romania at this point. Excuse me while I google what exactly “Anti Hail Rocket Firing” is.

 

[ahw01]

Eurocontrol is my daily reminder at work that I don’t know anything. Because just when you do, they pull the rug from under you. I’ve only built overflights for Romania at this point. Excuse me while I google what exactly “Anti Hail Rocket Firing” is.

Professionals built the Titanic, Amatuers built the Ark.

 

[JimnyCricket79]

Eurocontrol is my daily reminder at work that I don’t know anything. Because just when you do, they pull the rug from under you. I’ve only built overflights for Romania at this point. Excuse me while I google what exactly “Anti Hail Rocket Firing” is.

Getting a No Errors is the best feeling in the world when dealing with EuroControl

 

[Bustedcropdusta]

Getting a No Errors is the best feeling in the world when dealing with EuroControl

It’s a euphoric experience tbh. Deciphering the RAD docs are a skill set in and of itself.

 

[///AMG]

they put that in there to see if you actually read that far down.......congrats, of tens of thousands today, you were the only one!

 

[F9DXER]

It was more that I had never heard of Series B notams and I believe some flight planning systems don't capture them

 

[A1TAPE]

It’s a euphoric experience tbh. Deciphering the RAD docs are a skill set in and of itself.

What would happen if someone got an error and just went eh and loaded the flight up with a bunch of extra fuel for rerouting before sending it without fixing the error? The crew would be in for one hell of a surprise once they got to Eurocontrol airspace and got hit with a huge reroute.

 

[F9DXER]

Well in theory - Eurocontrol could say - nope, no valid flt pln on file. Not letting you in.

 

[Bustedcropdusta]

Well in theory - Eurocontrol could say - nope, no valid flt pln on file. Not letting you in.

Correct. Especially if going into a slot controlled airport.

 

[A1TAPE]

Well in theory - Eurocontrol could say - nope, no valid flt pln on file. Not letting you in.

So they would force the flight to hold until they diverted?

 

[Bustedcropdusta]

So they would force the flight to hold until they diverted?

I can only speak to my experience but I’d imagine it’s similar at other shops. If you look at an ATC filing strip it’ll show you the “address” of every center your flight is planned through. In the case of European airspace, a flight plan would need to be listed as “Accepted” and “Approved” in order to be sent out anyway. You wouldn’t release the plane for dispatch without having a fully approved flight plan.

 

[bbmikej]

Eurocontrol wouldn't let you in and you would have to divert to your enroute alternate. The NOP is amazing for Europe and the RAD application has gotten really good at finding valid routed as well as routes that can avoid airspace initiatives.

 

[F9DXER]

Or they could give you a route that was way out of the way where you might not have the fuel. Deliberate? Maybe.

 

[Bustedcropdusta]

Or they could give you a route that was way out of the way where you might not have the fuel. Deliberate? Maybe.

The moral of the story here being: don't f-ck with EuroControl or they'll F-ck you up themselves.

 

[JimnyCricket79]

The moral of the story here being: don't f-ck with EuroControl or they'll F-ck you up themselves.

 

[bbmikej]

Ope, your flight plan just got suspended due to an area becoming active. Good luck! No we don't have a reroute for you.

 

[Bustedcropdusta]

View attachment 79476

"what happened to my valid routing?"

EC: " What routing? "