Life Guard Accident in Hawaii 12/16/2022

[fholbert]

16-DEC-22

07:17:00Z

N13GZ

KAHULUI

HAWAII

BEECH/90A

ACCIDENT

DESTROYED

0

AIRCRAFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, 3 PRESUMED FATAL, KAHULUI, HAWAII.

Coast Guard, Civil Air Patrol continue search for medical transport plane that crashed off Maui

There were three people, all crew members, on the plane.

www.hawaiinewsnow.com

 

[Wardogg]

Weather seems ok.

PHOG 160854Z 18004KT 10SM CLR 21/17 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP129 T02110167 50004 $
PHOG 160754Z 00000KT 10SM CLR 22/17 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP129 T02170172 $
PHOG 160654Z 00000KT 10SM CLR 22/18 A2989 RMK AO2 SLP127 T02220178 $

 

[BobDDuck]

Weather seems ok.

It was at the airport but we had a massive low north of the island last night that pulled a ton of weather across the state. That said, the line wasn't that far east yet at 0730utc. The channel between Maui and Hawaii is one of the roughest out there. You get all kinds of crazy wind shifts around the volcanoes and at night there is absolutely no light.

There was another aircraft going the opposite direction that reported seeing lights spiraling down through the cloud deck. They did one orbit around the area at the request of HCF. USCG is reporting finding am oil slick and "aircraft parts" this morning but no other details.

 

[Roger Roger]

Sounds eerily similar to N13LY

 

[ppragman]

I flew that airplane quite a bit

 

[gliderboy]

Pitch dark out there, like flying down a well, no moon last night, cloud cover, plus crazy winds and turbulence on the lee side of the volcanoes. Like mountain flying at night in poor weather. Very scary if you're not up to it. One of the outfits is single pilot, the other uses two. Got some friends flying for them.....

 

[BobDDuck]

Pitch dark out there, like flying down a well, no moon last night, cloud cover, plus crazy winds and turbulence on the lee side of the volcanoes. Like mountain flying at night in poor weather. Very scary if you're not up to it. One of the outfits is single pilot, the other uses two. Got some friends flying for them.....

3 people on board. Not sure if they fly with two pilots and a flight nurse, or one pilot and a nurse and paramedic.

 

[scooter2525]

3 people on board. Not sure if they fly with two pilots and a flight nurse, or one pilot and a nurse and paramedic.

I never had a med flight that didn’t have both a medic and a nurse on board.

 

[ppragman]

I never had a med flight that didn’t have both a medic and a nurse on board.

Wasn’t that a requirement of NAAMTA?

 

[Boris Badenov]

Wasn’t that a requirement of NAAMTA?

I'm 99% sure it was for CAMTS. I certainly never saw any aircraft at Methods operate in service without at least two medical personnel of some description. Most often a nurse and a medic. Sometimes two nurses. Occasionally a nurse, a medic, and an MD.

 

[scooter2525]

Wasn’t that a requirement of NAAMTA?

Probably..?? It made sense. Each had a different scope of practice for the patient so they complimented each others work.

 

[Roger Roger]

I don’t know what drives it, but I’ve never heard of an operation in or out of CAMTS that didn’t run 2 med crew. Even the sketchball operation that had the Navajo wreck trying to go to Seward a couple years back was running with 2 med crew, though they may have been EMT/medic rather than the more usual nurse/medic. Even if many flights the second person reads a book 90%+ of the flight they won’t go without them

 

[ppragman]

I don’t know what drives it, but I’ve never heard of an operation in or out of CAMTS that didn’t run 2 med crew. Even the sketchball operation that had the Navajo wreck trying to go to Seward a couple years back was running with 2 med crew, though they may have been EMT/medic rather than the more usual nurse/medic. Even if many flights the second person reads a book 90%+ of the flight they won’t go without them

Chest compressions are tiring, you need a buddy to swap out

 

[MikeD]

Chest compressions are tiring, you need a buddy to swap out

many of the EMS birds now, a lucas seems common for onboard use.

 

[Pilot Fighter]

Chest compressions are tiring, you need a buddy to swap out

More about generating billing codes than lifesaving.

 

[ppragman]

More about generating billing codes than lifesaving.

Harsh but… sometimes potentially true - I felt pretty good about flying EMS in Hawaii, because if we moved someone they genuinely needed it because the hospital couldn’t handle it.

 

[Skåning]

More about generating billing codes than lifesaving.

What's the billing code for a second pilot?

 

[BobDDuck]

because the hospital couldn’t handle it.

That's an incredibly low bar to clear everywhere except Oahu. For a medical divert off the tracks, we are going to HNL even if OGG, KOA, or ITO are closer.

 

[scooter2525]

More about generating billing codes than lifesaving.

I never knew a medic or nurse that cared one bit about that. Every one had patient care as their number one priority.

 

[Roger Roger]

I never knew a medic or nurse that cared one bit about that. Every one had patient care as their number one priority.

Every one I’ve worked with has hated the system they work under where somewhere along the line someones profit matters more than the patient, and done their level best working in the constraints of that system.