flyboywbl
3rd regional in 1 year
Well i got the dreaded pink slip today during my MEI ride oral. I was just rapping up my Vmc presentation and he said "lets take a break" (we had been going for about six hours at that point) "and when we get back we will go over the aircraft logs and then go fly". He had told me every thing was great at that point.
We took a break and then we got back in the room and he asked me what Vy was for the plane. I told him i did not know and i'll have to get the POH to check. (Vy is below Vyse so we never use it) He then asked me what Vxse was and i told him i did not know and i had to look it up (in the DA-42 Vxse is the same as Vyse because in reality Vxse is below redline, 68, thus we never use it). As I was looking up these two speeds he asked me what Vne was and I said 196 (which is right). Then he asked me what Vno was and i said 120, as soon as it came out of my mouth i said "wait excuse me, thats Va, Vno is 156" the real speed was 155 for Vno and 156 is for landing gear retraction, i was off by one knot.
From there he said he needed to issue me a letter of disproval. I was shocked. He told me i needed to know those speeds by heart. Confused by the fact that he had told me that the whole test was open book and i could use any material if i did not know the right answer, i just kind of nodded along in shock as he pulled out the pink slip. This was like the third thing i needed to look up during the whole 6 hour period. I taught the whole Vmc presentation with out looking at one note or book. The thing that really pisses me off is that Vy is below blue line so we never use it. Thus it was not memorized.
My CFI talked with the FAA examiner and he explained to him that every thing i did was great except for not knowing the V speeds. My CFI quickly ran in and told me the speeds, quized me on them 5 minutes later, and then signed me off to take the checkride again. The examiner said he would love to finish the checkride so he called the FSDO for approval and they said because i was emotional i could not take the checkride and would have to wait a couple of days.
bummer thats all i can say is bummer. I put about 80 hours of ground into this initial checkride and i flunk because i did not know the V speed that we never use so i would have to look it up.
Honestly it felt like he was just looking for any reason to fail me. It felt like that cop at the end of the month who is trying to meet his quota so he pulls you over for doing 32 in a 30.
Oh well i'm not the first to fail their initial CFI ride. I think there is less than a 50% pass rate. Just a bummer because i was about 20 minutes away from being done with the oral and now i have to do the all over with a different examiner.
I'm not saying the examiner did not have the right to fail me but i was just confused. Open book to me means if I don't know something i can look it up. I was doing so well and then the carpet got pulled out from underneath me
At least there was no fee for this checkride
back to studying V speeds i guess, because the examiner said every thing else was satisfactory during the debrief.
Just venting, i'm sure there are worse checkride stories out there. Some one was telling me that some companies fire you if you fail your checkride plus you still owe them for your training.
-Matt
We took a break and then we got back in the room and he asked me what Vy was for the plane. I told him i did not know and i'll have to get the POH to check. (Vy is below Vyse so we never use it) He then asked me what Vxse was and i told him i did not know and i had to look it up (in the DA-42 Vxse is the same as Vyse because in reality Vxse is below redline, 68, thus we never use it). As I was looking up these two speeds he asked me what Vne was and I said 196 (which is right). Then he asked me what Vno was and i said 120, as soon as it came out of my mouth i said "wait excuse me, thats Va, Vno is 156" the real speed was 155 for Vno and 156 is for landing gear retraction, i was off by one knot.
From there he said he needed to issue me a letter of disproval. I was shocked. He told me i needed to know those speeds by heart. Confused by the fact that he had told me that the whole test was open book and i could use any material if i did not know the right answer, i just kind of nodded along in shock as he pulled out the pink slip. This was like the third thing i needed to look up during the whole 6 hour period. I taught the whole Vmc presentation with out looking at one note or book. The thing that really pisses me off is that Vy is below blue line so we never use it. Thus it was not memorized.
My CFI talked with the FAA examiner and he explained to him that every thing i did was great except for not knowing the V speeds. My CFI quickly ran in and told me the speeds, quized me on them 5 minutes later, and then signed me off to take the checkride again. The examiner said he would love to finish the checkride so he called the FSDO for approval and they said because i was emotional i could not take the checkride and would have to wait a couple of days.
bummer thats all i can say is bummer. I put about 80 hours of ground into this initial checkride and i flunk because i did not know the V speed that we never use so i would have to look it up.
Honestly it felt like he was just looking for any reason to fail me. It felt like that cop at the end of the month who is trying to meet his quota so he pulls you over for doing 32 in a 30.
Oh well i'm not the first to fail their initial CFI ride. I think there is less than a 50% pass rate. Just a bummer because i was about 20 minutes away from being done with the oral and now i have to do the all over with a different examiner.
I'm not saying the examiner did not have the right to fail me but i was just confused. Open book to me means if I don't know something i can look it up. I was doing so well and then the carpet got pulled out from underneath me
At least there was no fee for this checkride
back to studying V speeds i guess, because the examiner said every thing else was satisfactory during the debrief.
Just venting, i'm sure there are worse checkride stories out there. Some one was telling me that some companies fire you if you fail your checkride plus you still owe them for your training.
-Matt