Lessons learned

Clearblue

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The conversation over my video in the bus thread got me thinking. What do you guys consider the most important lessons you've learned while flying?

Here's a video of one I learned along with the details from the description.
[YT]M_tFq910y58[/YT]

When I took my private pilot check ride the DPE gave me some advice.

Landing with traffic on a parallel runway can be really dangerous, because if you overshoot and he/she overshoots you're going to have a bad day. So if there's traffic on the parallel, always come in on a 5 degree final.

On this day, while flying a left downwind, tower clears us for a full stop on 35L. At the same time they clear an aircraft flying a right downwind for a touch-and-go on 35R. We are also notified the traffic is for the parallel. We spot the traffic as we turn from base to final and decide it would be prudent to come in a little slower while on a 5 degree angle. As the other plane continues to get closer we notice he hasn't begun to turn in yet. I still think he's only overshooting the turn, but I ask my friend to get him on video anyway. To our amazement though the plane keeps coming over, and eventually is almost right in front of us. I don't even think I consciously meant to go around, my right arm just put in power for me as I was in disbelief. So tower gets on the radio:

Tower: Cessna 1234 you were cleared for a touch and go on 35R, make a full stop on 35L!

As we come back around on the downwind my friend and I look at each other with a somewhat uneasy feeling.

"Man, that could have been bad if we flew a regular pattern", I say.
"Yeah", he responds.

I feel it was a good lesson though. Never let your guard down. Even on a beautiful day, even if you have a safety pilot, you need to keep your wits about you.
 
wow I hope that guy got reamed for doing that.

When I hear traffic is on the parallel Im always cautious, and this is the perfect example as to why
 
You don't know how many times I've almost got hit at RVS, too many planes in the pattern and a lot of newbie ATC.
 
Something that I've learned, and that I take especially to heart, is that you are never immune to mistakes no matter how many hours you have. Some of you from the Socal area (particularly KVNY,KWHP,KBUR,KCMA, KSMO) may remember the Cessna Citation crash out of KVNY in early January, 2007.

The cause of the crash began with an open front baggage door compartment (which resulted in baggage being sucked into one of the engines causing a failure of that engine close to the ground and/or something that distracted the pilots enough to cause them to stall and and spin into the ground). Unfortunately the NTSB report isn't very clear about the exact cause the accident though it does state that the open front baggage door was the initial sequence of events which led to the crash. The solution to this problem would of been a thorough preflight and double-checking the locks of all baggage doors... The lack of a detailed preflight was the the problem with this crash and it's something that we do everytime we fly; it's the most basic and routine part of any flight.

The victims were two pilots--an ATP-rated Delta Airlines Captain (and the owner of my flight school) who had 30,000hrs+ as well as a commercially rated pilot with 5,000hrs+ (an estimate--I've heard 7,000 as well as 6,000).

Its quite saddening and at the same time distressing that these extremely experience pilots could of succumbed to such a common and routine process that all pilots go through from the student pilot to the test pilot.


RIP :(
 
You don't know how many times I've almost got hit at RVS, too many planes in the pattern and a lot of newbie ATC.
:yeahthat: RVS is the worst place I've been regarding this. The runways are close together, which makes it worse.
 
Fun when the pattern is full, then everyone else goes to TUL, OWP, and OKM. It's like a frickin battle, just to do touch and goes. I think I perfected the 8 mile final for RVS:)
 
Another odd thing that happened to me was I was doing pattern work at BKL and I was cleared for a Touch n go on 6L, there was a plane taking off on 6R but he was to be departing straight out so there wouldn't be any problems cause we were turning left out over the lake.

I see the other guy take off and just as we lift off he was probably two hundered feet ahead of us and higher on the right but for some crazy reason he starts banking to the left, and he turns out over the lake. My instructor kinda freaked but I for some reason didnt panic and calmly flew out straight ahead. I think it was because he wasn't really watching the other plane as I was so I new that we wouldn't collide and I had it under control but still to have somebody just fly right into where your supposed to be going not a good thing.
 
The conversation over my video in the bus thread got me thinking. What do you guys consider the most important lessons you've learned while flying?

Here's a video of one I learned along with the details from the description.
[YT]M_tFq910y58[/YT]

When I took my private pilot check ride the DPE gave me some advice.

Landing with traffic on a parallel runway can be really dangerous, because if you overshoot and he/she overshoots you're going to have a bad day. So if there's traffic on the parallel, always come in on a 5 degree final.

On this day, while flying a left downwind, tower clears us for a full stop on 35L. At the same time they clear an aircraft flying a right downwind for a touch-and-go on 35R. We are also notified the traffic is for the parallel. We spot the traffic as we turn from base to final and decide it would be prudent to come in a little slower while on a 5 degree angle. As the other plane continues to get closer we notice he hasn't begun to turn in yet. I still think he's only overshooting the turn, but I ask my friend to get him on video anyway. To our amazement though the plane keeps coming over, and eventually is almost right in front of us. I don't even think I consciously meant to go around, my right arm just put in power for me as I was in disbelief. So tower gets on the radio:

Tower: Cessna 1234 you were cleared for a touch and go on 35R, make a full stop on 35L!

As we come back around on the downwind my friend and I look at each other with a somewhat uneasy feeling.

"Man, that could have been bad if we flew a regular pattern", I say.
"Yeah", he responds.

I feel it was a good lesson though. Never let your guard down. Even on a beautiful day, even if you have a safety pilot, you need to keep your wits about you.

Your DPE was a smart man and gave you very good advice. The video brought back a strong sense of nostalgia for me, because I have seen that sight-picture many times - good old KDWH!

Now, your video also brought back a memory for me that wasn't as good. I was standing in the open hanger door of one of those hangers on the southside of the airport enjoying a cup of joe when I watched this play out right in front of my eyes when the airplanes were landing on 35L and 35R:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001212X22560&key=1

That was a bad day. Chaos kind of ensued after this accident as the controlled freaked badly. Immediately closed the airport (with tons of traffic in the pattern, including students on very early solo's that had never left the pattern. Basically the guy said "Airport closed", and everyone had to fly to an alternative airport like May Field, Montgomery County, Weiser, Andrau, etc.
 
You don't know how many times I've almost got hit at RVS, too many planes in the pattern and a lot of newbie ATC.

NEARLY HAPPENED TO ME TODAY AT KRVS!

"Uh tower, 23S, is the traffic off my right for the parallel?"
"Affirmative, for 19R."
"Uh, ok...? You sure?"
 
NEARLY HAPPENED TO ME TODAY AT KRVS!

"Uh tower, 23S, is the traffic off my right for the parallel?"
"Affirmative, for 19R."
"Uh, ok...? You sure?"


My favorite is
Tower: 25OSU turn crosswind.
Me: Um, I'm on final?:rolleyes:
Tower: Oh, who is on upwind? 17RR is that you?
 
I was there for a short time, before I got tired of getting killed everyday. I was from April 08-September 08. I also spent most of my time over a Christiansen Aviation, playing around with their Duchess, since Yuri wouldn't let me touch his.
 
Me: RVS Tower cessna 2385P entering right downwind for 19R
Tower: 2385P please extend your downwind for landing traffic, I'll call your base.
Me: Affirmative extending downwind awaiting base call.
Tower.................................................................
Me: RVS Tower cessna 2385P over downtown shall I switch over to Tulsa approach?
Tower: Cessna 2385P make your base turn, cleared for the visual 19R you are number 5 behind XXXX, watch for parallel traffic for 19L.
Me: Cleared for the visual 19R behind the hornets nest....
 
I love how someone changes from a touch and go to a taxi back at the last second. There are 5 planes right behind you, now is not a good time for a taxi back.
 
Me: RVS Tower cessna 2385P entering right downwind for 19R
Tower: 2385P please extend your downwind for landing traffic, I'll call your base.
Me: Affirmative extending downwind awaiting base call.
Tower.................................................................
Me: RVS Tower cessna 2385P over downtown shall I switch over to Tulsa approach?
Tower: Cessna 2385P make your base turn, cleared for the visual 19R you are number 5 behind XXXX, watch for parallel traffic for 19L.
Me: Cleared for the visual 19R behind the hornets nest....

Hahahaha...that happened to me at TKI once. They forgot about me on downwind...I was about halfway to SWI before they remembered and brought me back in.

"N12345, sorry about that, we can get you in now if you can keep your speed up."
"Uh...affirmative, TKI. You do know we're in a 152, right?"
"sound of laughter"
 
Two times the engine died on me, three times wouldn't come out of unfeather, hydraulic fluid sprang a leak during flight had to use the emergency lever, door would open during flight, and the stupid electric trim didn't work. Oh well good times:nana2:

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