King Air 200 info

Planedriver28

Planedriver28

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Hey all,

I happened into a deal, where I can start flying with a guy in a BE200. Long story short, word-of-mouth, and helping out at the airport got me introduced to this guy. He has to be in the airplane for insurance reasons, (as of right now) BUT I am fairly sure I can log the time if I am flying.

My certs: CFI(I), CMEL and of course high perf, complex, and I DO have a high altitude endorsement.

61 says a type is required for OVER 12,500 and turbojet.

BE200 certified max gross is 12500, (not over 12,500) and not a turbojet. (obviously) So a type is not required........ right?

Forgive me if I a missing something, but just to be 100% on this, please chime in.

Bottom line, I am confirming that I can (insurance requirements aside) log the time, (even PIC) for the time that I am sole manipulator....yes/no/maybe?:)
 
Planedriver28 said:
Hey all,

I happened into a deal, where I can start flying with a guy in a BE200. Long story short, word-of-mouth, and helping out at the airport got me introduced to this guy. He has to be in the airplane for insurance reasons, (as of right now) BUT I am fairly sure I can log the time if I am flying.

My certs: CFI(I), CMEL and of course high perf, complex, and I DO have a high altitude endorsement.

61 says a type is required for OVER 12,500 and turbojet.

BE200 certified max gross is 12500, (not over 12,500) and not a turbojet. (obviously) So a type is not required........ right?

Forgive me if I a missing something, but just to be 100% on this, please chime in.

Bottom line, I am confirming that I can (insurance requirements aside) log the time, (even PIC) for the time that I am sole manipulator....yes/no/maybe?:)
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There is no type for a standard King Air 200 and as long as you are appropriately rated ( ME land) on your certificate, you can log the time you are sole manipulator of the controls. Not only can you log it, but it is turbine PIC time. You didn't even need all those fancy endorsements either so long as the other guy was the "acting PIC" for the flight.
 
Just to agree with all the "yes's" before this and add that you could log it even if you didn't have a high performance or high altitude endorsement.
 
No type needed on the BE20/KA200. If you give him instruction on the flights you can log it as instruction and PIC. The KA 200 was certified at 12,500 so you would not need to be typed. I was told that in other countries, without that restriction, they fly it over 12,500.
 
Thanks guys! I was pretty sure, just wanted to be 100%. Awesome, finally getting to build some multi, and even turbine at that!
 
no pay...... just flying with when I have no students on the weekends and stuff. Free multi time is almost as good as getting paid for it.
 
Planedriver28 said:
no pay...... just flying with when I have no students on the weekends and stuff. Free multi time is almost as good as getting paid for it.
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No, it's not.

If you're in an airplane acting as a professional pilot you need to be compensated for your time. It is nothing short of a mistake to "ride along" and log the time. Professional pilots do not just "ride along" because last time I checked you can't buy groceries with multi-time.

Lets say you go into an interview with 50hrs of MTPIC and they ask you a system specific question. You need to be prepared to answer it. The 200 is less than 12.5 but it is a fairly advanced aircraft. It's not a plane you can just jump in and fly. I would expect you to spend a lot of time studying the nuts and bolts of the plane which will be a lot of work. If you're working shouldn't you be paid?
 
I guess before judgment is passed though we have to ask is are these flights revenue or pleasure flights?
 
esa17 said:
No, it's not.
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Yeah that.

My personal rule is, if the flight cancels without me, then I'm getting paid. Unless there are very, very specific extenuating circumstances. Such as: Favor for a good friend (redeemable for lunch or the beverage of my choice), volunteer work (i.e. Angel flights), or me wanting to go mess around in the airplane.
 
to throw some additional wood on the fire, my personal stance (and not necessarily others) is that if I cannot answer aircraft specific questions and scenerios - then I am not the PIC.

If you can't start the plane properly (gauging the ITT and other instrumentation for hot or hung starts, for example) or know how a PT6 works, then you shouldn't be putting it in a column in your logbook, unless it's signed by a CFI as dual given...

my $.02
 
I can't figure it out, but for some reason I'm not surprised. Disappointed, but not surprised. I hope the OP enjoys his King Air 200 time. I especially hope it when the OP starts complaining about being underpaid in a few years. He'll have himself to thank.

-mini
 
minitour said:
I especially hope it when the OP starts complaining about being underpaid in a few years. He'll have himself to thank.
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Say what?
If living in a house with five doodes and a mound of mold with a thermostat set to 70, yet reads 50 IAT (not an exaggeration) isn't the life, I don't know what is! :rawk:

I'm eternally grateful to the guy who took me aside when I had a wet certificate and filled me in on the do's and don'ts. This being one of the many DONT'S. Not everybody is lucky enough to have a self-imposed mentor like I had, but if you stick around JC you will get a lot of the same good advice. :beer:
 
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