Judged by 12 or carried by 6


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Had a Colonel I used to work for send this to me this AM.

Thought you all would find this interesting.

Hopefully this will help people to understand the logic of a
combat zone."Do unto others as they have been doing to yours."Marine
Note: forwarded message attached.

This makes it very clear...

JUDGED BY 12 OR CARRIED BY 6 ..............

Regarding the news blurb about the Marine who put
two rounds ("double tap") in a wounded insurgent's
head in Fallujah, here's a response from a Marine:

"It's a safety issue, pure and simple. After
assaulting through a target, we put a security round
in everybody's head. Sorry al-Reuters, there's no
paddy wagon rolling around Fallujah picking up
"prisoners" and offering them a hot cup o' Joe,
falafel, and a blanket.

There's no time to dick around on the target. You
clear the space, dump the chumps, and move on. Are
Corpsmen expected to treat wounded terrorists?

Hey Libs, worried about the defense budget? Well,
it would be waste, fraud, and abuse for a Corpsman
to expend one man-minute or a battle dressing on a
terrorist. It's much cheaper to just spend the $.02
on a 5.56mm FMJ.

By the way, in our view, terrorists who chop off
civilian's heads are not prisoners, they are
carcasses. Chopping off a civilian's head is
another reason why these idiots are known as
"unlawful combatants." It seems that most of the
world's journalists have forgotten that fact.

Let me be very clear about this issue. I have
looked around the web, and many people get this
concept, but there are some stragglers. Here is
your typical Marine sitrep (situation report): You
just took fire from unlawful combatants (no uniform
- breaking every Geneva Convention rule there is)
shooting from a religious building, attempting to
use the sanctuary status of their position as
protection. But you're in Fallujah now, and the
Marine Corps has decided that they're not playing
that game this time. That was Najaf. So you set the
mosque on fire and you hose down the terrorists with
small arms, launch some AT-4s (Rockets), some 40MM
grenades into the building and things quiet down.

So you run over there, and find some tangos (bad
guys) wounded and pretending to be dead. You are
aware that suicide martyrdom is like really popular
with these idiots, and they think taking some
Marines with them would be really cool. So you can
risk your life and your fire team's lives by having
them cover you while you bend down and search a guy
that you think is pretending to be dead for some
reason. Most of the time these are the guys with
the grenade or a vest made of explosives. Also, you
don't know who or what is in the next room. You're
already speaking English to the rest of your fire
team or squad, which lets the terrorist know you are
there and you are his enemy. You are speaking loud
because your hearing is poor from shooting people
for several days. So you know that there are many
other rooms to enter, and that if anyone is still
alive in those rooms, they know that Americans are
in the mosque. Meanwhile (3 seconds later), you
still have this terrorist (that was just shooting at
you from a mosque) playing possum. What do you do?
You double tap his head, and you go to the next
room, that's what!

What about the Geneva Convention and all that 'Law
of Land Warfare' stuff? What about it? Without even
addressing the issues at hand, your first thought
should be, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried
by 6."

Bear in mind that this tactic of double tapping a
fallen terrorist is a perpetual mindset that is
reinforced by experience on a minute by minute
basis. Secondly, you are fighting an unlawful
combatant in a Sanctuary, which is a double No-No on
his part. Third, tactically you are in no position
to take "prisoners" because there are more rooms to
search and clear, and the behavior of said terrorist
indicates that he is up to no good. No good in
Fallujah is a very large place and the low end of no
good and the high end of no good are fundamentally
the same ... Marines end up getting hurt or die.

So there is no compelling reason for you to do
anything but double tap this idiot and get on with
the mission. If you are a veteran, then everything I
have just written is self evident. If you are not a
veteran, at least try to put yourself in the
situation. Remember, in Fallujah there is no
yesterday, there is no tomorrow, there is only now,
Right NOW. Have you ever lived in NOW for a week?
It is really, really not easy. If you have never
lived in NOW for longer than it takes to finish the
big roller coaster at Six Flags, then shut your
mouth about putting Marines in jail for "War

Semper fi.


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And they wonder why it is hard to get guys to be grunts. Get killed or incarcerated for the rest of your life for 20K a year. I would have expected this type of PC shackling from the former administration. If i were 18 again, I would really pursue another avenue than the military.