jetBlue Pilots New Payrates!!

I don't know much of anything about the work rules at JetBlue. What is "crappy" about their work rules? Scheduling issues, soft time, vacation, etc.?
 
FlyChicaga said:
I don't know much of anything about the work rules at JetBlue. What is "crappy" about their work rules? Scheduling issues, soft time, vacation, etc.?
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I am not sure from personal experience - but that seems to be the consensus of the group and I was going along to get responses. Only issue I ever knew about was getting pilots involved in a study about max flying hours - and that seemed crappy.
 
WacoFan said:
I am not sure from personal experience - but that seems to be the consensus of the group and I was going along to get responses. Only issue I ever knew about was getting pilots involved in a study about max flying hours - and that seemed crappy.
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FUNNY, since we fly in and out of PNS and a lot of old air force bases, all the JB guys I've had come in and speak with have been VERY happy with things. :)
 
I know several guys (and one gal) that I flew with here at Pinnacle that went to jetBlue. Almost all of them are quite happy with the move over there. Their thoughts plus the MCO base puts it on the top of the list for me. As far as hiring, from what I'm hearing, they're still clearing out the pool right now. FO I flew with is in the pool but hasn't gotten a call yet. Poor guy was chief pilot of a corporate gig that shut down. Now he's right seat on reserve at Pinnacle.
 
WacoFan said:
I would submit that if they don't get close to that rate, then the RAH pilots will indeed be subject to more venom than they currently are. RAH put mainline pilots on the street - if their pilots accept less than a non-unionized airline flying the same airframe the commutes will get difficult in my opinion.

Is there anything that goes into this negotiation in which JB management said "hey...we still can maintain crappy work rules, but give them more pay. This will screw RAH as well as Airways when they have to negotiate their rates and will put even more pressure on them".
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I was reffering to your comment about RAH pilots not being able to match the JetBlue rates, wht do you think they cant get close of better than what JetBlue has just gotten?
 
falconvalley said:
JetBlue and the FAA wanted to do a joint experiment to see if doing those turns were safe.
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Not exactly, the FAA actually did not end up being so pleased when they were informed that JetBlue was conducting their own "study" with Pax on board.
 
PaulR said:
Not exactly, the FAA actually did not end up being so pleased when they were informed that JetBlue was conducting their own "study" with Pax on board.
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Common misconception. FAA via FSDO knew what was going on. That's why there was never any fallout four.

Personally I would never want to be assigned a transcon turn. Throw any sort of delay in there and that is one long-a$$ day.
 
Trip7 said:
Wow this is quite a surprise for a non-union carrier.
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Not really. An ALPA drive got started pretty much right after the JBPA vote failed. This was the company's way to try to short-circuit the ALPA drive. Hopefully it isn't successful.

Fins Up said:
I suppose some will say "industry average" isn't doing anything to raise the bar but it is a huge step for us.
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The rates aren't great for the Airbus, but the EMB rates will help the regionals in their negotiations. It wasn't a bad step, and from what I hear, the outcry from the pilot group is what ensured that the rates took effect now instead of in August. That proves the power of a unified group, and makes it clear that a union would be beneficial. Time for that next step: ALPA.

WacoFan said:
I would be interested in hearing from ATN/PCL and Velo on this issue. It would appear that they are no longer undercutting the piloting profession, but they are not union. So, where do the hardcore unionists sit with regards to the new JB pay?
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The pay is ok, but nothing to be really happy about. The ALA rates are what everyone should be looking at now, not the "industry average" payrates that JetBlue used for their calculations which are from concessionary contracts. This is a new bargaining cycle, and JetBlue pilots need to be a part of it. They can get much improvements if they bring a union on the property. Don't settle for averages based on concessions.

Fins Up said:
Common misconception. FAA via FSDO knew what was going on.
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Yes, the POI knew about it, but he has no authority under the law to waive regulations. The entire thing was a sham, and JetBlue flight ops management knew it. It was irresponsible and illegal.
 
Todd makes a good point, the "industry avg" payrates that JB mgmt used are mostly made up of rates from concessionary contracts.

That's like Charlottle Bobcats getting excited about beating the L.A. Lakers 2nd string team!
 
meyers9163 said:
YUP! Very true via company memo I read of a friends.... sad sad sad... and there's NOTHING they can do about it.
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Other than vote NO on any TA that isn't representative of where they should be.

And yes, I voted YES on the contract that's in place now when I was there.
 
I lub Todd because he always tells it like it is. Also he has a lot of experience in union work which I was just getting into.
 
Polar742 said:
Other than vote NO on any TA that isn't representative of where they should be.

And yes, I voted YES on the contract that's in place now when I was there.
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They can indeed vote no, but perhaps instead of seats they should be worried about size of Aircraft. However the payrate is one they agreed to. However a TA can take a while. Midwest may not be around come then.... :)
 
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