Jepp plates are now on iPad

Jepp for Ipad has been out since July? Or maybe we have a beta version? But nonetheless we use jeppview on the Ipad to compliment our EFB and GMX-200 onboard charts. We use both Foreflight and Jepp because Foreflight doesn't support Canadian charts and we go into Canada a lot.
 
jdlilfan said:
Jepp for Ipad has been out since July? Or maybe we have a beta version? But nonetheless we use jeppview on the Ipad to compliment our EFB and GMX-200 onboard charts. We use both Foreflight and Jepp because Foreflight doesn't support Canadian charts and we go into Canada a lot.
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We've been testing the iPad for a few months now to be our new EFBs.. and we also use Foreflight and Jeppview. They are both amazing! Yes, Jeppview has been out for a few months now, and it is just slick!
 
need to be able to have GPS position and XM weather overlay (or other nexrad) before (in my opinion) we would look at the iPad for our department. It sure is sized appropriately for light jets though. Would be great.
 
Flew with a guy last month who used this. Worked great until we had to divert because of weather. The turbulence made typing impossible.
 
Pretty sweet... according to the reviews in the iTunes store the iPad app isn't actually approved for use as an EFB... and it doesn't look like Jepp/Apple have any plans of changing that...
 
Codyjp said:
What is a subscription cost?
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The Jepp website is reporting $68/mo and $775/yr for the entire US. That's only for Jepp charts.. as in IPs. You don't even get low enroutes or anything.

However, Foreflight is only $75/yr. You get NOS charts, but you also get low enroutes, sectionals, all different kinds of weather information (basicall a WSI), and you can even file right on the thing.
 
Inverted said:
Foreflight is incredible. Been using it for over a year.
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Careful with Foreflight if you don't have paper back-ups. Their EULA states that it is "intended solely for informational and entertainment purposes". A few very experienced pilots on another website have contact them as to whether or not that means they intend the software to be used as the primary means of navigation. The answer is always vague and indirect.

Here's an excerpt:
I did receive a response from Foreflight. Here's a copy of the correspondence.
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My email to Foreflight:

The EULA states, in part, that the software is "intended solely for informational and entertainment purposes". That appears to me to mean Foreflight cannot be the ONLY means of viewing approach charts while airborne under IFR. This is not a problem for me because I do not care to use NOS plates and will keep using my Jeppesen subscription on the 135 approved Fujitsu systems. However some pilots have said they intend to use Foreflight on the iPad as their only way to view charts. So, question is is it legal to do so?

Foreflight response:

For Part 91 flying, the pilot has discretion to determine if their use makes them legal and the FAA is lenient on the matter. Here is a blog post that discusses recent FAA publications on the question:

http://blog.foreflight.com/2010/05/2...are-they-safe/

If you are Part 121/135, that is a whole different animal that requires your operator seek approval from a POI.

Thanks and fly safe!

Tyson Weihs
Principal
ForeFlight, LLC
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Notice they did not answer the question I asked but dodged the issue by talking about EFBs (hardware). They never said their software was legal for inflight use and until such time as they get some sort of approval I doubt if they will address the issue. Their statement in the EULA would probably keep them out of court if an accident or incident resulted in legal action. Not a bad move on their part.

So, based on the info available now, it appears the only way to be legal while using Foreflight while airborne is to have a copy of the paper charts somewhere on the airplane (but, please, not stashed in an inaccessable luggage compartment).
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The other problem with foreflight is that they don't have Canadian charts and a lot of the airport data is missing or incorrect for up there as well.
 
jdlilfan said:
The other problem with foreflight is that they don't have Canadian charts and a lot of the airport data is missing or incorrect for up there as well.
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That's because ForeFlight, WingX, etc etc use NACO charts. NACO (National Aeronautical Charting Office) doesn't have anything to do with Canadian charts.
 
This iPad thing from Jepps isn't approved either. Well, I know EXACTLY what the FAA would say: 'Sure, we could approve it for your use Mr. 135 certificate, but you'd still have to keep the paper charts.'

Defeats the purpose. But it is cool in a way. I'm kind of glad I've been using ForeFlight for a while. My current company uses Jepps but the company I am going to uses the government charts.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
This iPad thing from Jepps isn't approved either. Well, I know EXACTLY what the FAA would say: 'Sure, we could approve it for your use Mr. 135 certificate, but you'd still have to keep the paper charts.'

Defeats the purpose. But it is cool in a way. I'm kind of glad I've been using ForeFlight for a while. My current company uses Jepps but the company I am going to uses the government charts.
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I don't see what the problem with having back-ups is. How often do you really expect to use them? Plus, imagine that you are approved just with the ipad and something does go wrong...what are you then going to do if you didnt have back-ups?
 
Chew on this thought...

I'd bet money that the likelihood of an iPad/JeppTC failure is much, much lower than the chances of a flight crew flying around with out of date paper charts.
 
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