IPC/FLight Review

UDaviator

UDaviator

Domo Arigato, Mister Roboto
Can an IPC and Biennial Flight Review be done collectively? Does the hour of ground and hour of flight that's needed in a BFR count for the hour of ground in an IPC? And then go up and do your 6 approaches, holding and tracking count towards your flying an hour in the air for your BFR? Just curious as to how it works? Thanks all!!
 
UDaviator said:
Can an IPC and Biennial Flight Review be done collectively? Does the hour of ground and hour of flight that's needed in a BFR count for the hour of ground in an IPC? And then go up and do your 6 approaches, holding and tracking count towards your flying an hour in the air for your BFR? Just curious as to how it works? Thanks all!!
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I am aware of nothing that says it can't. A flight review can be just about anything that involves an hour of ground and an hour of flight time.
 
http://www.faa.gov/training_testing/testing/airmen/test_standards/media/faa-s-8081-4e.pdf

Refer to the Rating Task Table on the Instrument Rating PTS(Pg 31). You are not required to do a ground portion on an IPC. Neither are you required to do 6 approaches/holds/tracking navaids as part of the flight portion on the IPC. You are only required to do the necessary tasks as given in the table. Of course, it's instructor discretion as to how he wants to do it, but he could sign you off if you show proficiency in the required tasks as mentioned in the PTS. Include an hour of ground as per 61.56 so that you have that covered if you want the IPC to count as a BFR as well.
 
you can even have a CFI checkride count as a flight review if you arrange it with the examiner
 
LOC-D said:
http://www.faa.gov/training_testing/testing/airmen/test_standards/media/faa-s-8081-4e.pdf

Refer to the Rating Task Table on the Instrument Rating PTS(Pg 31). You are not required to do a ground portion on an IPC. Neither are you required to do 6 approaches/holds/tracking navaids as part of the flight portion on the IPC. You are only required to do the necessary tasks as given in the table. Of course, it's instructor discretion as to how he wants to do it, but he could sign you off if you show proficiency in the required tasks as mentioned in the PTS. Include an hour of ground as per 61.56 so that you have that covered if you want the IPC to count as a BFR as well.
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While the IPC does not require any ground the FAA's IPC Guidance does recommend "...a good
rule of thumb is to plan at least 90 minutes of ground time and at least two hours
of flight time for a solid evaluation of the pilot’s instrument flying knowledge and
skills.
...
A thorough IPC should cover general operating and flight rules for
IFR as set out in 14 CFR Part 91 and in the Aeronautical Information Manual
(AIM).
...
The flight plan should include
consideration of all preflight planning elements required by 14 CFR 91.103, as
well as appropriate instrument departure, arrival, and approach procedures.
...
To ensure a thorough evaluation of the pilot’s weather interpretation and analysis
skills – especially if the weather for the actual IPC is MVFR or better – your own
advance preparation might include obtaining a weather briefing for the assigned
route on an IFR or low IFR (LIFR) day. You can either provide this IFR briefing
to the pilot for advance analysis, or present it during the session for an on-thespot
review and evaluation."
http://www.faa.gov/pilots/training/media/IPC_guidance.pdf

Now granted, nothing does say "...shall...", but if CFI's don't follow the guidance we may find it regulatory in the future.
 
Mike H said:
you can even have a CFI checkride count as a flight review if you arrange it with the examiner
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Interestingly, there's continues to be some controversy about that. Although many see it as a flight check, a FR, by definition, is "instruction." DEs are prohibited from giving instruction during checkrides, so...
 
Mike H said:
you can even have a CFI checkride count as a flight review if you arrange it with the examiner
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If you are getting instruction for any flight instructor certificate you'll be getting certainly the ground and flight instruction that exceeds the requirements of the flight review. Isn't easier to ask your instructor to sign you off instead of waiting for your DE to say no to your request????
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
Interestingly, there's continues to be some controversy about that. Although many see it as a flight check, a FR, by definition, is "instruction." DEs are prohibited from giving instruction during checkrides, so...
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Yet you can go to the faasafety.gov website, select a CFI check ride and it basically gives you enough credits to be a flight review. Also I find that this contradicts the FAA's own literature that states an evaluation is a step in the instructional process. Not arguing with you about your observations, just more fuel for the fire.
 
Blackhawk said:
Yet you can go to the faasafety.gov website, select a CFI check ride and it basically gives you enough credits to be a flight review. Also I find that this contradicts the FAA's own literature that states an evaluation is a step in the instructional process. Not arguing with you about your observations, just more fuel for the fire.
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Evaluation is part of the instruction process but instruction is not necessarily part of the evaluation process. You have to evaluate in order to tech but yoo don't need to teach in order to evaluate.

jafra98 has the answer. No reason not to have your CFI sign you off for a FR and leave the checkride as a checkride.
 
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