instrument student filing IFR flight plan

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pericynthion

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I have my instrument checkride this Friday (eek).

Throughout my training with three different instructors I've been filing flight plans with FSS and DUATS. I always put my name and phone number down. Should I have been putting my instructor instead?

There's a good chance my checkride will be in actual, do I put my name or the DPE on there when I file?

Thanks!
 
I had this issue come up only today. IMO, the student can't put his name on the FP for the xc, because he isn't instrument rated, and can't act as the PIC.

As for doing it on your checkride, I'd say that the same applies. If you wind up getting an IFR clearance, you can't be the PIC until the end of your checkride. I'd call the examiner to ask his opinion though.
 
PFGiardino said:
In any case, mountains out of molehills...
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:yeahthat:

I honestly don't know the answer and have wondered about it myself. But I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter. I've never heard of anyone getting violated for putting the wrong name down on a flight plan.
 
I had an examiner tell me a few months ago they can no longer fly in actual, he said he no longer even picks up IFR. Just verbally goes through how to pick up a clearance and coordinates VFR practice approaches. Regardless, is it really that big of a deal?
 
Don't you need to be current and rated to put your name on the flight plan? I was always instructed to put my instructor's name in the pilot's field.
 
as far as the checkride, the examiner CANNOT be PIC at ALL anymore so that's why you can no longer get into actual, which means you can't be on an instrument flight plan.

at least that's what the DPE told me around here.

as for the flight plans and whatnot I don't think it so much matters since with a CFII you are one of the PICs of the flight anyway... The FAA won't come through your door for that
 
Not to add any confusion, but if something happened while on said IFR flight could it not be implied that the student was acting PIC because it was their name on the flight plan?
 
ICAO says Pilot in Command.
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elmetal said:
as for the flight plans and whatnot I don't think it so much matters since with a CFII you are one of the PICs of the flight anyway...
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I assume you're basing this off the fact that since the student can LOG it as PIC since he is the sole manipulator. However, an IFR qualified pilot must be ACTING as PIC during the XC. If you bust an altitude, who is the FAA going to hold responsible, the student, or the CFII?
 
Chief Captain said:
However, an IFR qualified pilot must be ACTING as PIC during the XC. If you bust an altitude, who is the FAA going to hold responsible, the student, or the CFII?
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The phrase "missing the forest for the trees" comes to mind. Does any instructor actually think they're going to get away with something because their name wasn't on the flight plan? It's pilot training. They are the "pilot".
 
14 CFR 61.47 Status of an examiner who is authorized by the Administrator to conduct practical tests.

(a) An examiner represents the Administrator for the purpose of conducting practical tests for certificates and ratings issued under this part and to observe an applicant's ability to perform the areas of operation on the practical test.

(b) The examiner is not the pilot in command of the aircraft during the practical test unless the examiner agrees to act in that capacity for the flight or for a portion of the flight by prior arrangement with:

(1) The applicant; or

(2) A person who would otherwise act as pilot in command of the flight or for a portion of the flight.

(c) Notwithstanding the type of aircraft used during the practical test, the applicant and the examiner (and any other occupants authorized to be on board by the examiner) are not subject to the requirements or limitations for the carriage of passengers that are specified in this chapter.
 
Guy said:
14 CFR 61.47 Status of an examiner who is authorized by the Administrator to conduct practical tests.

(a) An examiner represents the Administrator for the purpose of conducting practical tests for certificates and ratings issued under this part and to observe an applicant's ability to perform the areas of operation on the practical test.

(b) The examiner is not the pilot in command of the aircraft during the practical test unless the examiner agrees to act in that capacity for the flight or for a portion of the flight by prior arrangement with:

(1) The applicant; or

(2) A person who would otherwise act as pilot in command of the flight or for a portion of the flight.

(c) Notwithstanding the type of aircraft used during the practical test, the applicant and the examiner (and any other occupants authorized to be on board by the examiner) are not subject to the requirements or limitations for the carriage of passengers that are specified in this chapter.
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I was pretty sure they changed this in 2011... maybe not
 
Took mine last Friday and we were on an IFR clearance for most of it, only briefly in actual but the DPE said he was happy to fly actual all the way if necessary.
 
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