Instrument Proficiency Check

adreamer

adreamer

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I have few questions about this particular BFR. This pilot has not not flown for about 16 years. He holds Commercial, CFI rating(expired) with instrument privilege. He has asked me to complete his BFR without instrument check. So far, I have followed FAA guideline - for every year non-flying, it is an hour flight for this pilot. So far, we have completed basic takeoffs and landings, engine failures in the pattern and on the ground. Here are my questions:

1. Am I legally to sign him off for BFR w/o instrument check?
2. What would you do for IPC? similar to instrument ride?


Thanks in advance

adreamer
 
I'm anxious to see the what the CFI's here say. It seems fine to just give him a VFR BFR. Obviously he wouldn't be legal to fly IFR, but with all that experience and an Instrument Rating would he? Would you be questioned if he did and something happened?

Just out of curiosity, what's up with him not wanting a IPC? It seems like you could pack VFR and IR "refreshers" into 16 hours worth of dual.
 
What's required for an IPC is in the "PC" chart of the instrument PTS.

And yes, you can sign him off for a BFR without the instrument work. At this point, without an IPC, he's not legal for IFR flight.
 
1. Am I legally to sign him off for BFR w/o instrument check? Yes, but he won't be able to fly under IFR.
2. What would you do for IPC? similar to instrument ride? Checkout the 'IPC' column in the Instrument PTS "Rating Task Table". Also, Avia8trix has a great IPC 'checklist' you can follow.
 
And remember that the IPC requirements on the matrix on page 7 of the PTS are a bare legal minimum.

If you do the bare minimum and he crashes (possibly while doing something you didn't even check him out on) you can expect an inquiry from the FAA because you were the last "gate keeper" and they will be curous what you did on the IPC (and BFR) check.

This is what the examiner for my CFI Single engine ride told me.
CYA!

Since the guy is already paying for all that time and it would cost him nothing extra to do instrument work you'd think it's be possible to convince him.

Maybe he is afraid of being so rusty on the instrument stuff that he _thinks_ you might find him unsatisfactory for the whole thing?
 
Matt777 said:
Maybe he is afraid of being so rusty on the instrument stuff that he _thinks_ you might find him unsatisfactory for the whole thing?
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Or maybe it's as simple as, "I haven't flown in 16 years. I want to get my VFR skills up to speed and get some flying time before I start working on my instrument skills."

I don't see anything unusual about that. In fact, I suspect it's pretty common for folks returning to flying after a long hiatus.
 
I am not familiar with a regulation that would require 16 hours of dual instruction with this pilot. Is there one, or is that the consensus of the instructor and the pilot receiving the BFR?
 
Pilot Hopeful said:
I am not familiar with a regulation that would require 16 hours of dual instruction with this pilot. Is there one, or is that the consensus of the instructor and the pilot receiving the BFR?
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There isn't one. He may be referring to something else that suggests that for the pilot coming back an hour for each year away is typical or average or whatever.

I've never come across it and wouldn't even use it as a guideline other than to tell the pilot what he might be looking at. A pilot who flew for 10 years before the layoff will probably reach the needed proficiency a lot faster than the pilot who stopped flying as soon as he received his private certificate.
 
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