Instrument instruction as a non-CFII

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Josh

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so, 3hrs of instrument reference flight is required for private.

So, I take the regs to read, that a CFII is required for the 15hrs for the instrument training, or for an IPC, or CFII training. The rest of required time can be done with any ol' CFI.

Right? Wrong? References?

Here is what I'm reading:

61.195 (b)(2)(c) Instrument Rating. A flight instructor who provides instrument flight training for the issuance of an instrument rating or a type rating not limited to VFR must hold an instrument rating on his or her flight instructor certificate and pilot certificate that is appropriate to the category and class of aircraft in which instrument training is being provided.
 
Yup. The only instruction that =has to= be with a CFI is the instruction used to meet "instrument training" or "instrument instruction" requirements in the FAR.

For the instrument rating, the rest of the required instrument time (not training) doesn't even have to be with a CFI. It could be with a private pilot acting as safety pilot.
 
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So, I take the regs to read, that a CFII is required for the 15hrs for the instrument training, or for an IPC, or CFII training.

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..or an ATP re-test.
 
yeah, I understand the safety pilot option.

Just kinda wondering. I'm not a CFII (yet, $$$). Someone wants to work on the IFR. Was my private student. A CFII is not having lots of time. I can work into my schedule.

How to log though. It is intruction, so dual. Seems fine to me, since it isn't the 15hrs for the rating. If there was an issue, I'd just log it as PIC safety pilot, since the rest of that hood time doesn't need to be instruction.

TIA for any feedback.
 
alright this doesnt sound like it applys to your particular circumstance of giving instruction to an instrument student but it is an important point. as you said you can go up and teach him, he just needs 15 with the cfii. now to my point 61.109(a3) says that a ppl applicant must have 3 hours of instruction on controlling and manuevering solely by reference to instruments. ok great that means that a cfi can do that because it is not instrument training. now 61.129(a3i) says that a cpl applicant must receive 10 hours of instrument instruction. this, being instrument instruction, does require a cfii. just an interesting point i thought id bring up.
 
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How to log though. It is intruction, so dual. Seems fine to me, since it isn't the 15hrs for the rating.

[/ QUOTE ]Go ahead and log it as dual. There's nothing in the FAR that says that you can't teach instrument stuff without that second I.

Let's take it out of the scenario of it being pat of the work that the student tis doing for the rating. Suppose you were doing a BFR for a VFR pilot. You decide that it would be good for the pilot to have some additional knowledge for his VFR emergency bag of tricks, so you explain how a VOR approach works and you incorporate an approach or two into some hood work. Any problem with treating it as dual? Of course not.

Back to the IR student scenario. Two practical things to watch for:

1. IMO, a CFI who is =teaching= rather than just acting as a safety pilot should be doing so under the supervision of the CFII who is responsible for the student's training. In other words, the one-I should be teaching, monitoring and evaluation tasks that the double-I things should be worked on - think of your self as a "teacher's assistant."

2. It's probably a good idea to find some way of identifying the dual as "countable" or "not countable" for the rating requirements, just to make it easier to add the proper entries to the proper totals.
 
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1. IMO, a CFI who is =teaching= rather than just acting as a safety pilot should be doing so under the supervision of the CFII who is responsible for the student's training. In other words, the one-I should be teaching, monitoring and evaluation tasks that the double-I things should be worked on - think of your self as a "teacher's assistant."


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That's what we're working on. Kinda safety pilot who knows what to do actually, so some directed instruction is going on.
 
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