I didn't meet the mins, but I sent my resume in anyway.

USMCmech

USMCmech

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Guys, just stop. It's not even funny anymore.

I have seen this posted a LOT recently and it is really counter productive. I have seen my Chief Pilot wade through thousands of resumes of random pilots who send in their stuff despite the fact that they do not meet 135 mins. We can't waive those requirements for ANYBODY, yet we still get hundreds of these per week.

Even if the minimums are driven by the insurance company, those are still set in stone. The cost of insuring a airplane are crazy in the first place, and there is no way that a company is going to incur more expense for some random guy who sent them an Email. We just had a long time member go above and beyond to help out our fellow members. Despite the fact that he explicitly said "don't send me your resume unless you have the mins", he go flooded with resumes from unqualified people.

Nobody cares that the regionals were putting 500 hour wonders in bigger jets a couple years ago. It was a dumb idea then and still is. The insurance companies know that that was way too risky to bet their money on.

I know things are tough right now, but Minimums are exactly that.
 
Do you mean just stop with the 135 apps or all of them? I only submit with lower hours when I think I have a shot (and I know with 135 I wouldn't).
 
jasoN534ER said:
Do you mean just stop with the 135 apps or all of them? I only submit with lower hours when I think I have a shot (and I know with 135 I wouldn't).
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Serious question. What makes you think that youhave a shot? Close on hours? All but one requirement met? Divulge.
 
mshunter said:
Serious question. What makes you think that youhave a shot? Close on hours? All but one requirement met? Divulge.
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Well a lot of the job postings say requirements can be reduced. For example if one job says that you would be doing mountain flying, and just about all of my flight training has been in/around mountainous terrain, I think they would consider someone who had 250 hours of flight time in mountains over someone who has 500 flight hours in Kansas. Being close on hours is another one, and jobs that say CFI/II required, MEI preferred (when I don't have an MEI) are other examples.

I also need a job and maybe in a few scenarios I have applied with a little more hope than I should have had.
 
Well if you have less than 135 mins and you apply for a PIC slot in a 135 job, thats just not gonna happen.

Ive seen people argue with insurance companies and get someone with low time get listed on the insurance. However these were one on one basis and the guy new the pilot being hired.

Good point, however, if a job is asking for 2000tt, 500 multi, etc, if you have 1900, 450 and blah blah, it depends on the job and if it is set by FAA req. or insurance mins.
 
I got my PPL 10 years ago and haven't flown since, should I apply to AmeriFlight?

Any input appreciated.
 
For 135 I could see your frustrations... but, I recently applied to a job 'requiring' 1500, I have 950ish and got a phone call. Most likely nothing will come of it but its not outlandish in some instances to send a resume in anyway and maybe get the nod.
 
Thinking about this...the only thing that people who don't meet the minimums and still apply do is, collectively, make it more difficult to identify someone who does meet the minimums. That in turn makes it less likely that anyone who sends in a resume will be hired and instead chief pilots and people whom make hiring decisions will instead mostly ignore resumes and instead rely on internal recommendations from existing employees -- those at least have to meet the requirements, surely.

Paradoxically the more resumes are sent in the less likely that anyone who sends in a resume will get hired. This is how the downward end of the cycle of our industry looks like.

So, if your goal is to get hired somewhere you would be hurting that goal if you send in a resume when you don't meet the qualifications at a minimum from becoming chaff and at worst is if the CP reads your resume, and then REMEMBERS later on that you were the one who couldn't even read and follow directions when months later you re-apply and do have the required qualifications.
 
If they're nice enough to post a job online, be professional enough to respect their requirements.

Sometimes I think we need to do an "Operation Standdown" for a day here on Jetcareers and review application techniques.

Just imagine how you're going to feel when you spend hours every day digging through unqualified applicants when you need to fill a position promptly? Pretty darned jaded and very reluctant to post a job online here at Jetcareers ever again because for every qualified applicant, you may get 20 'I might be short on time, but I'm tall on teamwork!' cover letters.
 
Doug Taylor said:
If they're nice enough to post a job online, be professional enough to respect their requirements.

Sometimes I think we need to do an "Operation Standdown" for a day here on Jetcareers and review application techniques.

Just imagine how you're going to feel when you spend hours every day digging through unqualified applicants when you need to fill a position promptly? Pretty darned jaded and very reluctant to post a job online here at Jetcareers ever again because for every qualified applicant, you may get 20 'I might be short on time, but I'm tall on teamwork!' cover letters.
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if i was a CP and sitting on my moneybags, employed, i doubt that sifting through resumes for an afternoon would really hurt my feelings.

just sayin.

ill let ya know if i ever, EVER, get to that position and ill let you know if my thoughts have changed. :pirate:

until then, back to banging around my 172 with no opportunity for advancement.
 
If you'd take a gander down in the "Jobs Available" topic, you'll find a chief pilot who is pleading for applicants to follow his instructions.

I know a lot of pilot recruiters and they all say the same thing: "People don't read the instructions"

or proofread.

spellcheck...

etc.
 
I heart when you send your stuff in for a job you are qualified for and don't even get so much as a "you're ugly and your mother hates you" response e-mail and the job is re-posted 3, 4, 5 times over the span of 4 months.

That's always nice.

Are you just not getting my stuff or do I smell funny or is it C?

-mini
 
Doug Taylor said:
If you'd take a gander down in the "Jobs Available" topic, you'll find a chief pilot who is pleading for applicants to follow his instructions.

I know a lot of pilot recruiters and they all say the same thing: "People don't read the instructions"

or proofread.

spellcheck...

etc.
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And people thinking he's going to get their kidneys and sell them on the black market.
 
minitour said:
I heart when you send your stuff in for a job you are qualified for and don't even get so much as a "you're ugly and your mother hates you" response e-mail and the job is re-posted 3, 4, 5 times over the span of 4 months.

That's always nice.

Are you just not getting my stuff or do I smell funny or is it C?

-mini
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a) Probably overload.
b) Depends on who is doing the reposting. A lot of job boards (most) will re-post stale job leads because people that purchase memberships to them want to see leads before they plunk down the credit card.
 
Doug Taylor said:
a) Probably overload.
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An automated response e-mail to say "We got it. We'll let you know if you're selected to continue in the application process." takes about 43 seconds to set up.


b) Depends on who is doing the reposting. A lot of job boards (most) will re-post stale job leads because people that purchase memberships to them want to see leads before they plunk down the credit card.
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I was thinking more about jobs posted on the company's own website. I don't use the pay to play job boards anymore just because of the issue you mentioned. I recommend the same to anyone.

-mini
 
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