Hypothetical Situation

Cutlass1287

Cutlass1287

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True or False? A private pilot takes his 10-year old daughter for a ride in the family airplane and allows the girl to fly the airplane during cruise flight. The private pilot may log the cruise portion of this flight as PIC.
 
the girl is in no way authorized to log pic time. she is not pic she can make no decisions concerning the flight. therefore the PILOT IN COMMAND must log it as pic time... i dont know if this is legal to let the girl fly the plane as the pilot is not a cfi but im not sure maybe someone else can help out
 
But he's not pilot in command because he's not the sole munipulator of the controls.
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True or False? A private pilot takes his 10-year old daughter for a ride in the family airplane and allows the girl to fly the airplane during cruise flight. The private pilot may log the cruise portion of this flight as PIC.

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How is that any different then getting a discovery flight, and the instructor lets you play with the controls. He (the instructor) is still in command of the aircraft, regardless of what the passenger does.
 
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How is that any different then getting a discovery flight, and the instructor lets you play with the controls. He (the instructor) is still in command of the aircraft, regardless of what the passenger does.

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Because the instructor is a CFI.
 
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True or False? A private pilot takes his 10-year old daughter for a ride in the family airplane and allows the girl to fly the airplane during cruise flight. The private pilot may log the cruise portion of this flight as PIC.

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You can't leagally log it... actually no one can log it; there is a difference between logging and acting PIC, check out www.propilot.com.

But in reality the FAA kind of overlooks the fact that a lot of pilots will take pax up and let them fly for a while. And pilots kind of overlook the fact that their hands may accidently slip off the controls while the pax take them
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, you don't see many flights logged where PIC time is less than flight time
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I don't know of anyone who when letting someone mess with the yoke for 5 min would take the time to subtract point whatever from the hour
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Good Lord why are we arguing over this.

Of course YOU are pic. You are within reach of the controls and even if your daughter is "flying the airplane" don't even tell me you aren't right there making a correction if she goes in another direction.

Do you think airline pilots let the autopilot log time? Even though it is the "sole manipulator of the controls?"

Some of you need to get off this "read the regs" kick. The people that write. modify and maintain the regs are human and make MANY MANY mistakes.

The PIC is the PILOT IN COMMAND. Once you get all your ratings no one cares who is the "sole manipulator of the controls."
 
FAA definition of "Pilot in Command" (verbatim from FAR Part 1, section 1.1)

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Pilot in command means the person who:
(1) Has final authority and responsibility for the operation and safety of the flight;
(2) Has been designated as pilot in command before or during the flight; and
(3) Holds the appropriate category, class, and type rating, if appropriate, for the conduct of the flight.

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Lemme dig a little deeper. Did you bust an altitude but tell the FAA investigator that your daughter was PIC?
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True or False? A private pilot takes his 10-year old daughter for a ride in the family airplane and allows the girl to fly the airplane during cruise flight. The private pilot may log the cruise portion of this flight as PIC

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I'd have to say yes since he is still responsible for the overall safety of the aircraft. Otherwise, I don't think airline captains acting a PNF would be PIC by your definition since the FO would be flying the plane.
 
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True or False? A private pilot takes his 10-year old daughter for a ride in the family airplane and allows the girl to fly the airplane during cruise flight. The private pilot may log the cruise portion of this flight as PIC

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I'd have to say yes since he is still responsible for the overall safety of the aircraft. Otherwise, I don't think airline captains acting a PNF would be PIC by your definition since the FO would be flying the plane.

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Yeah but they follow different rules regarding logging flights
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LOL!

There are times everyone feels like SHOUTING
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"Yes. I'm having trouble controlling THE VOLUME OF MY VOICE!"
 
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True or False? A private pilot takes his 10-year old daughter for a ride in the family airplane and allows the girl to fly the airplane during cruise flight. The private pilot may log the cruise portion of this flight as PIC

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I'd have to say yes since he is still responsible for the overall safety of the aircraft. Otherwise, I don't think airline captains acting a PNF would be PIC by your definition since the FO would be flying the plane.

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Yeah but they follow different rules regarding logging flights
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I don't know...I'd say they're the same rules that we follow!
 
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Do you think airline pilots let the autopilot log time? Even though it is the "sole manipulator of the controls?"

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To be technical, pilots flying the airplane via autopilot are still manipulating the controls. The autopilot is a flight control device which is being manipulated via pushbuttons and dials. That's why you can log flight time, instrument time, PIC, whatever your particuar certificates/ratings/position allow while the autopilot is engaged.
 
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Do you think airline pilots let the autopilot log time? Even though it is the "sole manipulator of the controls?"

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Uh, no...
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Wouldn't the autopilot be a control anyway?


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Some of you need to get off this "read the regs" kick. The people that write. modify and maintain the regs are human and make MANY MANY mistakes.

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So if I disagree with something just chalk it up to 'oh, they probably made a mistake on that one'? I have no idea why the FAR writers wanted to separate acting and logging PIC... but they did; even so I don't think anyone would really subtract time they let passengers fly.
 
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