How crazy is this. News on TTN

highspeed

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Web site to list late-night planes
Thursday, June 17, 2004
By HELEN CHERNIKOFF
Staff Writer
EWING - Starting next month, planes that fly into or out of Trenton-Mercer Airport between midnight and 6 a.m. will be exposed on the county's Web site for violating the airport's voluntary curfew, County Executive Brian Hughes said yesterday.

Airport workers will record the violating planes' tail numbers, the airborne equivalent of license plates, upon landing or takeoff in response to requests from neighbors who say early morning flights disturb their sleep, Hughes said. More than 800 planes have violated the curfew since 2001, aviation records show.

"It's certainly a step in the right direction," said Heidi Kahme of PLANE (People Limiting Airport Noise and Expansion). "It certainly will be interesting to see if there are any repeat offenders."

The curfew is unenforceable because it is voluntary. Even though the county owns the airport, it can't fine violators or restrict their access, Hughes said.

"Other than getting a letter from the airport saying you've been a naughty boy, there's not a whole lot of guns in our arsenal to try to make people comply with this curfew," Hughes said.

But public pressure, actual or possible, may persuade chronic violators to curb curfew-hour flights, Kahme said.

"What we can do is try to make sure people respect the curfew by shining some light on who's doing what at the airport, especially between the hours of 12 and 6 a.m.," Hughes said.

The county will post the tail numbers four times a year instead of every day because corporations worry that releasing their travel information would put them at a competitive disadvantage, said Hughes. By plugging the tail number into the Federal Aviation Administration's registry, also on the Web, people can identify the plane's owner. The only airport users allowed to withhold tail numbers are the National Guard or law enforcement agencies, in the event of security concerns, Hughes said.

Whether posting the tail numbers works as a deterrent depends on how sensitive the planes' owners are about their image, Hughes said.

Big-name corporations who stable their jets at the airport might be more careful to look like a good neighbor than "transients" who use the airport to refuel, for example.

"I really can't judge how any individual would feel having their name part of the public record," Hughes said.

The county has to rely on airport users to self-police because of the voluntary nature of the curfew, which was instituted in 1999. To implement a mandatory curfew, the county would have had to conduct an expensive study and even then, the FAA might not have permitted it.
 
They're going to post N-numbers of violaters of a VOLUNTARY curfew. I feel like renting a plane and flying there tonight at 2am. PLANE is just a bunch of damn NIMBYs.

And theres another story about Shuttle America stopping its service to TTN ( http://www.nj.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-1/108703121091990.xml?times?nxt )

Here's just a clip
Heidi Kahme of PLANE (People Limiting Airport Noise and Expansion) said yesterday it is a bad investment for the county to improve the terminal.
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Bunch of NIMBY, McMansion owning jackasses!
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hey highspeed, I'll spilt the cost of the rental with you
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Sometimes I feel the same way man!
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lets ride harlerys around the neighborhood all night. Show them plenty of other mecanical things make noise, there such jack ass's they will prob blame that on the planes for more propaganda
 
I really will fly a plane in there this summer between midnight and 6AM, to show them how ridiculous their idea is. It won't be my name on the tail number, but a flight school. How do they track that?

I am very familiar with operations at TTN. Johnson & Johnson has a number of corporate jets hangared there, among other pharmeceutical companies and other corporations.

When a G-V from VNY flies in at 1AM with a guy who just paid $25,000 for that coast to coast flight, it probably won't be too concerned about it because they may never come back again. Then again, I hope it's a Sabreliner; theyr'e a bit louder.

The well-to-do people on the Pennsylvania side of the Delaware River drive my crazy. I went to high school with some of the people who's parents are involved in this and they just don't think ahead, period. If you are going to buy a $700,000 house, either do it in an area where you are satisfied with the level of quiet, or put up with the noise level as it is right now.
 
Voluntary means just that, voluntary, and as such by definition it can not be "violated."


Gaddnamit people get dumber everyday, I swear.
 
I really don't know what noise these people are complaining about. My girlfriend lives right under the approach to Rwy. 6, and I've heard a countless number of aircraft coming in at 1 or 2 am, and the noise level is not bad at all. You have to be a REALLY light sleeper for this stuff to wake you up. I know her parents haven't complained, because they don't think it's that bad at all.
 
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Voluntary means just that, voluntary, and as such by definition it can not be "violated."


Gaddnamit people get dumber everyday, I swear.

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They must be working with people from Scottsdale.
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Voluntary means just that, voluntary, and as such by definition it can not be "violated."


Gaddnamit people get dumber everyday, I swear.

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They must be working with people from Scottsdale.
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Good lord no!
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Most of these planes are GA types, which aren't any louder then a lawn mower. Maybe if these folks had their eyes open when they had their homes built they wouldn't be so shocked. But maybe the entire airport, the invention of the airplane, the internal combustion engine, all came over the last 5 years. Its not at all possible that TTN has been public use since 1954...

PLANEs and BRRAMs websites are as ridiculious as these news stories.
 
I think that MikeD should do touch and goes there with his new airplane. Or the old one. Get a whole squadron to do them.

And then when they complain, say, what, are you against our troops?

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ets ride harlerys around the neighborhood all night. Show them plenty of other mecanical things make noise, there such jack ass's they will prob blame that on the planes for more propaganda

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My dad just bought a 2004 harley on monday, He would be glad to ride down and show it off
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We need to get a repeat offender in there with a loud plane that flies in at random times during the curfew.
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I really don't know what noise these people are complaining about. My girlfriend lives right under the approach to Rwy. 6, and I've heard a countless number of aircraft coming in at 1 or 2 am, and the noise level is not bad at all. You have to be a REALLY light sleeper for this stuff to wake you up. I know her parents haven't complained, because they don't think it's that bad at all.

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I spoke with the director of KOSU and he said that more often than not noise complaints don't come from those that live near the airport. 9 times out of 10 the complaints com from those who live a few miles away. By that distance I don't see the issue. Where I live now I am near one of the flight paths into CMH. The street traffic is louder than the jets etc overhead.
 
How about a Jet Careers marching band at 3am consisting of drums and cymbals! With the original learjet doing touch-n-go's!

Learjet3PW Go around

I wonder what these people do on the 4th of July?
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How about touch and go's with Mike D and friends at 3 am
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I Love when people buy homes then complain about different aspects of their neighborhood ie. airport proximity. I don't know much (anything) about buying homes but I'd imagine you'd check out the local area for things like powerplants, factories, airports, anything that would cause noise or pollution and as stated before there are plenty of cars and motorcycles roaring through neighborhoods at these pre-dawn hours to cause more noise pollution than a handful of planes. I also imagine that these people have never taken a red-eye flight to anywhere in the world
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uugghhhh, I love anti-aviation arguments, reading things like this make me love aviation even more just to piss off a few narrow minded people.

Full power landings are now the new SOP at KTTN

Ryan
 
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