Horizon scope?

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http://www.seattletimes.com/busines...-six-jets-deliveries-prompting-union-lawsuit/

The ongoing pilot shortage at Horizon Air, which already has caused hundreds of flight cancellations this year, has now forced management to defer delivery of six Embraer 175 jets because the airline doesn’t have enough pilots to fly the planes.

Concerned that management at Alaska Air Group’s regional carrier may lease the jets to rival SkyWest, the Teamsters union representing the pilots on Friday sought a federal court injunction to ensure only Horizon pilots can fly the aircraft.

Horizon, which until this year flew only turboprop aircraft, now has nine 76-seat E175s in service, with another coming next week. Those are part of a firm order for 33 of the jets from Brazilian manufacturer Embraer.

Chief executive Dave Campbell said three E175s are being deferred this fall and three more in the spring.

He said the jet deferrals were necessary because the pilot shortage requires a slowdown in Horizon’s planned fleet growth. Still, he insisted the deferrals are a temporary “pause.”

The six deferred jets will go to Horizon next year, said Campbell. By the end of 2018, all 23 of the E175 deliveries previously planned for this year and next will be at Horizon, he said.

“At that time, we will have the same number of jets as initially planned,” Cambell wrote in a message to all staff sent Wednesday.

That same day Teamsters Local 1224, which represents the 800 or so Horizon pilots, wrote to its members expressing concern that in the interim the jets will be delivered to SkyWest.

Regional carrier SkyWest, headquartered in St. George, Utah, already operates aircraft for Alaska Air Group as an external contractor, feeding passengers into the mainline Alaska Airlines flights just as Horizon does.

Though Horizon is an in-house subsidiary of Alaska Air, it effectively competes with SkyWest for Alaska Air business.

Alaska Air had earlier announced that SkyWest will take over some of Horizon’s routes this fall to try to avoid further cancellations.

The lawsuit filed in federal court in Seattle says Greg Unterseher, director of representation for Teamsters Local 1224, was told by Campbell in discussions over the past week that the Embraer deliveries couldn’t be deferred, so Alaska Air is creating a leasing subsidiary to lease the jets to SkyWest.

“SkyWest would then operate those aircraft for the benefit of Alaska Airlines on routes that Horizon Air would otherwise fly,” Unterseher said Campbell told him, according to the lawsuit.

In a letter responding to Unterseher’s initial concerns, also cited in the lawsuit, Campbell said Unterseher must have misunderstood what he said.

“It is my belief that (Alaska Air Group) does have the flexibility when it comes to aircraft deferrals,” Campbell wrote.

Nevertheless, the union is unconvinced and it sued to stop what it contends would be a breach of contract.

The union says that in a 2016 agreement it granted concessions to management on the basis that the company’s investment in the initial order for 30 E-jets would secure Horizon’s future. That agreement says “Horizon Air’s pilots represented by the Union would have the exclusive right to fly all of those firm order aircraft,” according to the suit.

The lawsuit also notes that the same commitment — “The E175s will be flown by Horizon exclusively” — was expressed in the company’s first-quarter earnings filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Prior to the filing of the lawsuit, Campbell’s letter to Unterseher insisted that “it is the intention of Horizon and (Alaska Air) to honor the fleet letter that was previously signed.”

Yet that assurance didn’t stave off the lawsuit, revealing a breakdown in the trust that had been secured with an April compensation agreement between management and union.
 
Pretty sad to see AAG do this to their own company just to give the planes to Skywest.
I'm confused with this side of the argument, considering Horizon has cancelled hundreds of flights(probably over a thousand considering into the fall cancelations). It's already prompted new contracts with SkyWest because they have no crews to fly their routes.

Meanwhile, I was in Helena last week with a oversold -900 because Horizon cancelled due to no crew (as I was told). Even cancelations on routes they didn't expect to cancel on.

Maybe I'm a little biased, but still...
 
I'm confused with this side of the argument, considering Horizon has cancelled hundreds of flights(probably over a thousand considering into the fall cancelations). It's already prompted new contracts with SkyWest because they have no crews to fly their routes.

Meanwhile, I was in Helena last week with a oversold -900 because Horizon cancelled due to no crew (as I was told). Even cancelations on routes they didn't expect to cancel on.

Maybe I'm a little biased, but still...
My understanding is horizon has no pilots because of the pos contract they have.
That's almost entirely AAGs fault.
 
My understanding is horizon has no pilots because of the pos contract they have.
That's almost entirely AAGs fault.
Didn't think of that. I thought their last contract passed with flying colors, like 70%
 
Also keep in mind that nobody can buy a ticket on "horizon" or "skywest". Scope is something that is held (poorly in this case) by the pilot group of the company who owns the flying. Horizon being a WO carrier does complicate things slightly, but there is a whole hell of a lot of history from Piedmont, PSA and American Eagle (the actual carrier) that would confirm this status doesn't matter at all.

The "scope" that a regional carrier pilot group has is generally alter ego protection that disallows their management or holding company to bid on flying from a mainline partner and then assign it to a different pilot group like what happened with Freedom A and GoJets.
 
I'm confused with this side of the argument, considering Horizon has cancelled hundreds of flights(probably over a thousand considering into the fall cancelations). It's already prompted new contracts with SkyWest because they have no crews to fly their routes.

Meanwhile, I was in Helena last week with a oversold -900 because Horizon cancelled due to no crew (as I was told). Even cancelations on routes they didn't expect to cancel on.

Maybe I'm a little biased, but still...

The problem is that AAG management and horizon management are one and the same. AAG picked those people, they shuffle them around between horizon and Alaska. AAG leadership really controls the big decisions. It's a terrible example of whipsawing, and the horizon folks have limited options except where they're at today.
 
The problem is that AAG management and horizon management are one and the same. AAG picked those people, they shuffle them around between horizon and Alaska. AAG leadership really controls the big decisions. It's a terrible example of whipsawing, and the horizon folks have limited options except where they're at today.

Whipsawing is what happens when everyone doesn't stand together.
 
Whipsawing is what happens when everyone doesn't stand together.

Problem is, the regional industry is notorious for taking it up the rear end from management with false promises and threats. Oh just vote this contract in, you’ll get more flying and more airplanes, don’t mind the fact that we can’t staff you properly. This is a really bad move. As of late, it seems that Horizon and Skywest have really been pinned against each other. Scope is so paramount here.
 
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