Horizon Air Contract?

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I've been hearing through the grapevine that Horizon got a new contract last week and the new ExpressJet contract is going to be higher than their's? A) does anyone have a copy of their contract B) has anyone heard they got a new contract at all?

Sorry... Looked online and did not see ANYTHING about it and want to ask.
 
No TA for ExpressJet Dispatchers.......Rumors are just the normal negotiation ritual.....

Confident we will have a TA in no more than 3 years......

Patience.....patience

To all the newbies....Guess what ? You will be here much longer than you expect....or prefer

Try to enjoy the journey
 
LTDXER said:
No TA for ExpressJet Dispatchers.......Rumors are just the normal negotiation ritual.....

Confident we will have a TA in no more than 3 years......

Patience.....patience

To all the newbies....Guess what ? You will be here much longer than you expect....or prefer

Try to enjoy the journey
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what you mean by that the newbies will be there much longer ruN expected or wanted? New hires will have a minimum stay time or what?
 
nyk said:
what you mean by that the newbies will be there much longer ruN expected or wanted? New hires will have a minimum stay time or what?
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Be happy to answer that......

The expectations of way too many newbies is laughable. By that I mean, they walk in the door at a Regional with the attitude....." I only need two years here and then I am off to a Legacy and my REAL job that pays the BIG BUCKS..."

Yeah, uh huh....good luck with that !

Here is my version of a realistic attitude:

There will NEVER be enough Legacy jobs for everyone seeking a Legacy job. Ergo, most of us get to do something else. Like spend our career at a Regional or sell real estate or go back to school and on and on and on.....

There are at least three and possibly four career Regionals.......Get hired by one of them....THIS at least is doable for almost everybody.

EXPECT and PLAN to spend the next ten years there.

First, you get three years desk time and learn everything you can.....Try to be the best Dispatcher in the room.

Now comes the diversifying......Become an OJT trainer, a comp checker, a Lead Dispatcher, Sector/Hub manager/coordinator, Duty Manager. In other words, spend the next seven years doing EVERY one of these jobs. At the end of ten years, you should know everything worth knowing about airline OPS.....At this point start applying to the Legacys......you might make it.

And that folks is the reality.......Lots of brain bending work and weird hours....

But expect to be flamed if you come on here after a year working a desk and whine......Where is my Legacy job ? Can't someone hand carry my resume in pleeeeeezeeeeee ?

DO THE WORK........and hold NO SCORN for the lifers who STAY at a Regional.....We earned our place !
 
Well, I can tell you one thing, attitude is a far better currency in this business then a fat resume. I can pretty much guarantee if you walk around in life expecting the worst, you're probably going to be correct in your prediction.
 
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pljenkins said:
Well, I can tell you one thing, attitude is a far better currency in this business then a fat resume. I can pretty much guarantee if you walk around in life expecting the worst, you're probably going to be correct in your prediction.
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Interesting.....attitude......measure that and quantify that for me.

In short, explain that as we would a P & O.......measurable and quantifiable


I find most people who look solely at "attitude" as the critical factor are really looking for........fellatio
 
I dont see a problem with newbies wanting to get to a major quickly. I would take the enthusiasm, naivety and confidence many new dispatchers have over the depressing attitudes a small minority of the regional lifers have. It seems many major airlines feel similar as is reflected in their hiring preferences.

Many of those newbies you rant about are indeed correct in their thinking about getting to a major after two years at a regional. I know in the past 3 years that WN, US, UAL, AA have hired people that were line dispatchers only and had less than three years dispatch experience. Two of them have hired quite a few. I have heard it said that majors like those with less experience since it can be easier to train someone newer to the business than one that has a lot of ingrained habits.

To prove my point, my major new hire class had 8 from 12 dispatchers hired with 4 or less years dispatch experience and 7 of the 8 had three years or less experience in dispatch. Of the other four, only one had ten years or more dispatching experience.

In the new hire class before mine, 6 dispatchers out of ten had between no dispatch experience to one year in dispatch.

Obviously, not everyone can be hired into dispatch so soon but newbies arent off base having a two years and off to a major mentality. Getting to a major is either a quick journey or a long struggle.
 
LTDXER said:
Be happy to answer that......

The expectations of way too many newbies is laughable. By that I mean, they walk in the door at a Regional with the attitude....." I only need two years here and then I am off to a Legacy and my REAL job that pays the BIG BUCKS..."

Yeah, uh huh....good luck with that !

Here is my version of a realistic attitude:

There will NEVER be enough Legacy jobs for everyone seeking a Legacy job. Ergo, most of us get to do something else. Like spend our career at a Regional or sell real estate or go back to school and on and on and on.....

There are at least three and possibly four career Regionals.......Get hired by one of them....THIS at least is doable for almost everybody.

EXPECT and PLAN to spend the next ten years there.

First, you get three years desk time and learn everything you can.....Try to be the best Dispatcher in the room.

Now comes the diversifying......Become an OJT trainer, a comp checker, a Lead Dispatcher, Sector/Hub manager/coordinator, Duty Manager. In other words, spend the next seven years doing EVERY one of these jobs. At the end of ten years, you should know everything worth knowing about airline OPS.....At this point start applying to the Legacys......you might make it.

And that folks is the reality.......Lots of brain bending work and weird hours....

But expect to be flamed if you come on here after a year working a desk and whine......Where is my Legacy job ? Can't someone hand carry my resume in pleeeeeezeeeeee ?

DO THE WORK........and hold NO SCORN for the lifers who STAY at a Regional.....We earned our place !
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So, wait 10 years, and then start applying at the majors? That is, seriously, some of the worst career advice for new dispatchers that I have ever heard. Sure, you might not get hired after 2 years, but then again...you might! Way back when I was at my first regional one guy I worked with applied at a major and got hired after just under a year there. I guess that was a big mistake on his part, he should have given up 9 years of a better income so he could learn more about the airline industry first.

It is true that not everyone will get hired by the first major they apply to...or the first time they apply at one...but the risk vs. reward in applying vs. not applying is huge. At most it takes a few hours to fill out an online application, and most take much less time than that. And the potential reward...to quote Mastercard....priceless.

If you find a regional you like and decide you want to make a career there, that is fine also. I have several friends who have done so and are still happy living in SGU, ATW, or wherever. But if you do want to "move up" just remember that when it comes to applying for jobs....if you don't ask, the answer is ALWAYS no.
 
A positive attitude can't be taught in my experience. Just about anyone can be taught the finer points of dispatching or any job in this business for that matter. In that regard, experience is overrated, IMO.

It's a lesson I learned the hard way.
 
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