Here is the scoop on the new RJ program

RPM

RPM

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I just noticed this on the ATP site, since we were all complaining about it the other day, here is some more info to clear things up.

ATP CRJ PROGRAM

Regional Jet Standards Certification
7 Days $2,995
$2,000 for Airline Career Pilot Program Students

Regional Jet Standards Certification is the capstone of ATP’s Airline Training Programs. This program trains pilots on CRJ-200 systems, airline standardization and procedures, and includes 20 hours of FTD flight experience.

Learn, use and master the latest glass cockpit technology found in Regional Airline aircraft:

Flight Management Systems (FMS)
Electronic Flight Instrumentation Systems (EFIS)
Engine Indication and Crew Alerting Systems (EICAS)
At the end of the program, pilots must be able to fly the CRJ-200 to Airline Transport Pilot standards.

The proficiency attained in this program will increase confidence and reduce anxiety in the airline interview and initial training.

Bombardier CRJ-200 Flight Training Device
ATP’s CRJ-200 Flight Training Device is one of only a few devices that are more than just cockpit procedures trainers. This FTD fully implements all systems on the CRJ-200 aircraft and has an FAA-approved flight model. Combined with a seamless wrap-around projection visual system, this FTD offers maximum realizm.

This FTD is identical to those operated by airlines such as Atlantic Coast Airlines, now Independence Air.

Enrollment
ATP has always advised students that regional jet training offers the most benefit once they have already attained the qualifications necessary to be airline hire-able.

Regional Jet Standards Certification, as a continuation of the Airline Career Pilot Program, will be available for $2,000 for up to nine months from the completion of the certified flight instructor certificate. A $1000 unconditional, nonrefundable deposit will be required to reserve a class date at this discounted cost.

After the experience gained in making the transition from student to instructor, ATP’s regional jet training will have you best prepared for your airline pilot job.
 
And this is why companies don't like to have leaks in info before they officially announce stuff.


Either way, I am sold again. Just a matter of if I go in enough time to get that lower price or wait till the fall?

Stupid fuel prices... I thought we won the war?
 
When I was looking, I was more or less set on ATP. It looks now as though the military route is going to work out for me which has been the dream.

Anyhow, getting to the point of my post . . . as much as I was leaning toward ATP,

think about this:

They say it's the fuel which is definately going up, however, should fuel prices fall in the future, I doubt ATP's prices will drop. It's a good excuse to raise the prices.
 
Try running a fleet of Twin aircraft burning 20 gal/hr at $3.50/gal (that is what it is costing in PHX right now) and keeping the prices down... These people are not trying to rip you off....do the math!

At least $70/hr just in fuel not including MX and the Training.

*.02*
 
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man you guys are getting ripped off for fuel over there (in PHX i mean, not meaning ATP), here in Portland the FBO i train with sells it for only $2.59.
 
I'd be astonished if ATP didn't have a contract rate for fuel. No way they're paying $3.50/gal.

On top of that, Seminoles don't burn 20 gallons an hour. More like 16 locally, and 9.5 for cross-country (this according to ATP's own flight publications--their standard procedure is 55% power for all cross-country ops, fuel burn of 9.5 gals/hr w/proper leaning).
 
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On top of that, Seminoles don't burn 20 gallons an hour. More like 16 locally, and 9.5 for cross-country (this according to ATP's own flight publications--their standard procedure is 55% power for all cross-country ops, fuel burn of 9.5 gals/hr w/proper leaning).

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According to the Piper Seminole POH
Fuel and Power Chart (per engine)

55% rated power approx.fuel flow-9.3 Gal/Hr

9.3x2(engines)=18.6gph
 
Fuel prices at KORL as of today = $3.70/gal for 110LL and $3.50/gal for Jet A.

KLAL had 110LL for $2.86! I thought they would jack the price due to Sun N Fun, but I guess selling in volume helps.
 
We do have accounts at the bases, but I frequently refuel away from my base and end up paying whatever they are charging. Similar situation for the students on XC trips who go to ILM, LEX, etc. We use synthetic oil in the engines to prolong their life, but that stuff can't be cheap-the Mobil 1 I use in my car is nearly $5 a quart.
 
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According to the Piper Seminole POH
Fuel and Power Chart (per engine)

55% rated power approx.fuel flow-9.3 Gal/Hr

9.3x2(engines)=18.6gph

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I stand corrected; the ATP material I referenced didn't say that figure was per engine. Now, can somebody explain to me why, for the same power setting, the same engine in a C-172 burns 2 gallons less per hour?
 
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We do have accounts at the bases, but I frequently refuel away from my base and end up paying whatever they are charging.

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When doing the x-c's to non ATP locations. Who picks up the charges for re-fueling. ATP? or should I bring my Shell card?
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If your flying the seminole at 55% rated power you might as well take the trip in a 172, you will arrive at about the same time. At FSI all XC's and local flights are planned at 75% power, best power leaning (125 rich of peak EGT) which results in 23.4 gals/hr burn and true airspeed of around 160 kts at 5,000'
 
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Now, can somebody explain to me why, for the same power setting, the same engine in a C-172 burns 2 gallons less per hour?

[/ QUOTE ] Just a guess, but I suspect that the engines are running at different RPMs and different loads.
Could also be in the way the manufacturer specifies %power.
Does the C172 and PA44 have the same induction and exhaust systems? That might be a factor too.
I wonder how it compares to a 172RG?
 
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