Helicopter to ASEL add-on

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I am going to be doing an ASEL addon to a commercial helicopter certificate. For some reason I thought there was an easier way to do the addon than 61.129. This requires 50 hrs in airplanes and 50 hours PIC in airplanes. So basically the student would need to get a PVT to build the PIC or do a lot of solo cross countries. Are they able to log PIC after they have been signed off for solo flights? Or is there some sort of PIC endorsement I could give them while going dual?

§ 61.129 Aeronautical experience.

(a) For an airplane single-engine rating. Except as provided in paragraph (i) of this section, a person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane category and single-engine class rating must log at least 250 hours of flight time as a pilot that consists of at least:

(1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 50 hours must be in airplanes.

(2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at least—

(i) 50 hours in airplanes; and

(ii) 50 hours in cross-country flight of which at least 10 hours must be in airplanes.

(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(1) of this part that includes at least—

(i) Ten hours of instrument training using a view-limiting device including attitude instrument flying, partial panel skills, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, and intercepting and tracking navigational systems. Five hours of the 10 hours required on instrument training must be in a single engine airplane;

(ii) 10 hours of training in an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller, or is turbine-powered, or for an applicant seeking a single-engine seaplane rating, 10 hours of training in a seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch propeller;

(iii) One 2-hour cross country flight in a single engine airplane in daytime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure;

(iv) One 2-hour cross country flight in a single engine airplane in nighttime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(v) Three hours in a single-engine airplane with an authorized instructor in preparation for the practical test within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test.

(4) Ten hours of solo flight time in a single engine airplane or 10 hours of flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a single engine airplane with an authorized instructor on board (either of which may be credited towards the flight time requirement under paragraph (a)(2) of this section), on the areas of operation listed under §61.127(b)(1) that include—

(i) One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles total distance, with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which is a straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the original departure point. However, if this requirement is being met in Hawaii, the longest segment need only have a straight-line distance of at least 150 nautical miles; and

(ii) 5 hours in night VFR conditions with 10 takeoffs and 10 landings (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern) at an airport with an operating control tower.
 
I am going to be doing an ASEL addon to a commercial helicopter certificate. For some reason I thought there was an easier way to do the addon than 61.129. This requires 50 hrs in airplanes and 50 hours PIC in airplanes. So basically the student would need to get a PVT to build the PIC or do a lot of solo cross countries. Are they able to log PIC after they have been signed off for solo flights? Or is there some sort of PIC endorsement I could give them while going dual?

Your student could do the private privileges option if they choose or do the commercial add-on as you said. They will need 50 hours of PIC time in airplanes like you said and the way fo them to get that is through this solo endorsement:

To act as PIC of an aircraft in solo operations when the pilot does not hold an appropriate category/class rating: section 61.31(d)(3).

I certify that (First name, MI, Last name) has received the training as required by section 61.31(d)(3) to serve as a PIC in a (category and class of aircraft). I have determined that he/she is prepared to serve as PIC in that (make and model of aircraft).

Now that endorsement gives them no limits, so make sure you limit them as their skills warrant.

Edit: And no - there's no PIC endorsement you can him give for dual-given.
 
You also need to put a time limit on the endorsement as it does not expire without one.
I've got a syllabus that covers the private add-on at samdawsoncfi.com
 
I have done this a few times for students. No easy way. Only PIC when they are solo, unless they just go ahead and get the PVT first so they get Cat and Class.
 
You also need to put a time limit on the endorsement as it does not expire without one.
I've got a syllabus that covers the private add-on at samdawsoncfi.com

Ha! That was quick - I had just PMed him to look for your syllabus.
 
Thanks! Do you guys think it would make more sense to add on PPL first, then do commercial?

Personally, I think yes. He would get more use out of the aircraft. In addition, once he has his private done you can work on his instrument-airplane. While doing this he can log PIC time. Instrument airplane add-on is pretty easy. He will be more than ready for check ride after 15 hours.
 
Personally, I think yes. He would get more use out of the aircraft. In addition, once he has his private done you can work on his instrument-airplane. While doing this he can log PIC time. Instrument airplane add-on is pretty easy. He will be more than ready for check ride after 15 hours.

That's what I did... instantly makes all dual after the PVT PIC loggable... plus if you have to build 50 PIC hours it's nice to be able to fly a passenger if you want if you're not doing dual.
 
I certify that (First name, MI, Last name) has received the training as required by section 61.31(d)(3) to serve as a PIC in a (category and class of aircraft). I have determined that he/she is prepared to serve as PIC in that (make and model of aircraft).

Now that endorsement gives them no limits, so make sure you limit them as their skills warrant.


This is HUGE! I put time limits(120 days), weather limits(200ft CIG/3SM vis) and *SOLO ONLY* on the few that I did. I didn't think it wise to put someone out there with limited skills to take their wife/girlfriend/family along for a ride to end up dorking a prop or worse, and having the FAA knocking on my door.
 
The endorsement only authorizes solo only anyway. No pax until a checkride, ie. Sport, Recreational, Private, or Commercial.
 
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